APO Chapters at non-greek campuses

[arvid1978]

Well, what are we using to define as non-greek? A campus that prohibits greeks, or one that just doesn't have any there?

UIS is a bit of a different case, because while the institution has been around since 1969, they were a two year upper-division school (juniors and seniors only) only within the last 10-15 years or so. The campus culture up until within the last 10 years has been one aimed at non-traditional students, so that would also explain the lack of a greek system on campus.

FWIW, APO did try to start a chapter there in the 1980s, when the school was called Sangamon State University and still a 2-year upper division school, but the group never made it. The current Petitioning Group at UIS either just submitted their chartering application or will be very soon.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by arvid1978

Well, what are we using to define as non-greek? A campus that prohibits greeks, or one that just doesn't have any there?

UIS is a bit of a different case, because while the institution has been around since 1969, they were a two year upper-division school (juniors and seniors only) only within the last 10-15 years or so. The campus culture up until within the last 10 years has been one aimed at non-traditional students, so that would also explain the lack of a greek system on campus.

FWIW, APO did try to start a chapter there in the 1980s, when the school was called Sangamon State University and still a 2-year upper division school, but the group never made it. The current Petitioning Group at UIS either just submitted their chartering application or will be very soon.

Oh certainly as primarily a "senior" college it is not surprising it didn't have a greek system, however since it has been a full four year institution for a a while now I thought I'd toss them out there. And as I said, I wasn't sure how far along their group was in the process.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by arvid1978

Well, what are we using to define as non-greek? A campus that prohibits greeks, or one that just doesn't have any there?

Either one... UIS is more like University of Alaska Southeast, I think. Public, but with no real reason to be against having social greeks other than the size/historical size of the campus...

And UIS probably should go on the list, even if it isn't an active chapter yet.

I'm not including the inactive chapters at schools without greeks, for some we were allowed on back when we were much closer culturally/control to BSA.

[Sister Havana]

Virginia Intermont?

[naraht]

Originally Posted by Sister Havana

Virginia Intermont?

Looks like that should go on the list as well. VIC appears to have no social greeks, but the student handbook mentions the Title IX exemption for social greeks in the section on what a student club can't discriminate on. Looks like they perhaps might recognize social greeks in the future...

Randy

[Sister Havana]

Also:
College of Mount St. Joseph
Cedar Crest College
Saint Vincent College
Carlow University
University of Maine Farmington

[naraht]

Originally Posted by Sister Havana

Also:
College of Mount St. Joseph
Cedar Crest College
Saint Vincent College
Carlow University
University of Maine Farmington

Wow.

I'll check these... UMF probably falls in the same group with Alaska-Southeast and Illinois-Springfield, Small public schools where APO got there before the socials.

Carlow and Cedar Crest were (are?) small women's schools, where there weren't Sororities.

College of Mount St. Joseph, and St. Vincent, it might be religious, small or both, I'll have to check.

Randy

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by naraht

I know they are a PG, and last I heard in pretty good shape. They've got a facebook group... I could see APO being the first, but at some point the school having social greeks. My guess is that if UIS was a more urban campus, they might have NPHC greeks...

It's literally in a cornfield. APO will most certainly be the first.
It appears there are city-wide chapters, but I would suspect that demographics/numbers are the reason why there aren't collegiate chapters of the D9. They've only recently graduated their first freshman class and have been oriented toward more CC students finishing their degrees and many non-traditional students.

Originally Posted by naraht

Either one... UIS is more like University of Alaska Southeast, I think. Public, but with no real reason to be against having social greeks other than the size/historical size of the campus...

And UIS probably should go on the list, even if it isn't an active chapter yet.

I'm not including the inactive chapters at schools without greeks, for some we were allowed on back when we were much closer culturally/control to BSA.

Aye there's no anti-greek movement on campus that I've seen.

Just trying to be helpful

[arvid1978]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

It's literally in a cornfield. APO will most certainly be the first.
It appears there are city-wide chapters, but I would suspect that demographics/numbers are the reason why there aren't collegiate chapters of the D9. They've only recently graduated their first freshman class and have been oriented toward more CC students finishing their degrees and many non-traditional students.



Aye there's no anti-greek movement on campus that I've seen.

Just trying to be helpful

I wouldn't call the capital of the 5th most populous state with core population of 110k and a metro area of over 180k "literally in a cornfield" by any stretch. The fact that it's not a more urban area has almost nothing to do with the lack of NPHC greeks on campus, since most other public campuses in Illinois actually are in the middle of cornfield (population areas of 20k - 40k), yet have active NPHC chapters. I'm very confident that the incredibly unique culture of the campus compared to the other major 4-year public institutions that has kept most GLOs (NPHC or not) from expanding to the school. I'm not sure if any of them have even tried yet; I haven't seen or heard of anybody else trying to extend to the campus, but that doesn't mean they're not

The extension effort has been a Petitioning Group for over three years now, and took quite a while to get to that point as well. As I recall, and I'm sure some other R6 staffers will correct me on this, it was a cold start extension effort. I also recall that since APO approached the administration first we were going to be the standard by which they evaluated other GLOs coming to campus, but that may have been the sponsor's opinion at the time.

I do know the campus is researching and discussing how social greek life would be integrated into the campus community: http://www.uis.edu/journal/archives/...opinion.html#3

(Disclosure: I work for the University of Illinois, attended UIUC and have taken classes at UIS)

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by arvid1978

I wouldn't call the capital of the 5th most populous state with core population of 110k and a metro area of over 180k "literally in a cornfield" by any stretch. The fact that it's not a more urban area has almost nothing to do with the lack of NPHC greeks on campus, since most other public campuses in Illinois actually are in the middle of cornfield (population areas of 20k - 40k), yet have active NPHC chapters. I'm very confident that the incredibly unique culture of the campus compared to the other major 4-year public institutions that has kept most GLOs (NPHC or not) from expanding to the school. I'm not sure if any of them have even tried yet; I haven't seen or heard of anybody else trying to extend to the campus, but that doesn't mean they're not

The extension effort has been a Petitioning Group for over three years now, and took quite a while to get to that point as well. As I recall, and I'm sure some other R6 staffers will correct me on this, it was a cold start extension effort. I also recall that since APO approached the administration first we were going to be the standard by which they evaluated other GLOs coming to campus, but that may have been the sponsor's opinion at the time.

I do know the campus is researching and discussing how social greek life would be integrated into the campus community: http://www.uis.edu/journal/archives/...opinion.html#3

(Disclosure: I work for the University of Illinois, attended UIUC and have taken classes at UIS)

Springfield is indeed nice in size, but the campus is literally amidst the cornfields, I wasn't kidding!

I was just hypothesizing, I meant demographics more in the sense of age than anything else. City-wide chapters have probably served the population well, at least to this point. I have no idea if there is any social greek expansion but I haven't heard of it outside a less than intelligent group of girls on facebook calling themselves Sigmas. They stopped.

(I attend UIS atm for grad school )