Miami University Pi Beta Phi Suspended

[33girl]

1. Formal dresses are less formal than they used to be and people don't care if they get alcohol on them.

2. At our formals, we did some of the drinking at the actual dinner/dance event, but anyone who drank hardcore did it in their hotel room. If buses are taking them to and fro they don't have the chance to do that.

3. People are so paranoid of letting loose on campus they think they can "get away" with it at an off campus venue. This is almost as stupid as thinking you can get with someone's boyfriend during spring break when you're all on the same trip that was scheduled through your student activities office.

4. Pregaming isn't new. The amount of it is. Our pregaming was (at the hardest) a couple shots of peach Schnapps or a few beers...not a whole bottle of SoCo.

5. Chicks are anorexic and don't eat and can't hold their liquor.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by 33girl

1. Formal dresses are less formal than they used to be and people don't care if they get alcohol on them.

2. At our formals, we did some of the drinking at the actual dinner/dance event, but anyone who drank hardcore did it in their hotel room. If buses are taking them to and fro they don't have the chance to do that.

3. People are so paranoid of letting loose on campus they think they can "get away" with it at an off campus venue. This is almost as stupid as thinking you can get with someone's boyfriend during spring break when you're all on the same trip that was scheduled through your student activities office.

4. Pregaming isn't new. The amount of it is. Our pregaming was (at the hardest) a couple shots of peach Schnapps or a few beers...not a whole bottle of SoCo.

5. Chicks are anorexic and don't eat and can't hold their liquor.

I think all of these are valid, but just wanted to co-sign that it is the amount that is now consumed during pregaming that seems to have changed.

We couldn't purchase alcohol until we were 21, but we were able (legally) to drink it in the house and in the dorms before our 21st birthday. As such, the whole *mystique* of drinking just did not exist. So most of us were able to learn just how much we could drink and perhaps more important, *what* we could drink without getting sick or too drunk. So by the time formals came around (end of the semester), we were not likely to get out-of-control drunk. We had learned how to drink for the "long haul" as it were.

[Katmandu]

I just saw this about Alpha Phi in the Dayton newspaper a little while ago, and was wondering the same thing... WTH with greeks in SW Ohio?? I have lived in the region for over 30 years and have never heard of this number or type of incident before.

I understand stupid 19 and 20 year olds drinking too much. (I am a parent and former sorority advsor) That is nothing new. What seems to be new is the absolute lack of modesty and the over the top destruction. These incidents involve public urination and defecation, over the top trashing of public space for the "fun" of trashing it, and in your face public sex, with the accompanying breakage of bathroom hardware and run ins with venue staff. These incidents cross the line from partying to Neronian debauchery, and that is what seems new.

It may be caused by the entitlement mentality that parents have fostered. It may be that having sex since you were 15 and going on fabulous world class vacations every year leaves nothing left to try or experience except total debauchery and abasement. I don't know what it is, but I suspect that campus administrations are not going to put up with all this negative publicity for long without taking some long term actions.

[sydney bristow]

Originally Posted by 33girl

1. Formal dresses are less formal than they used to be and people don't care if they get alcohol on them.

2. At our formals, we did some of the drinking at the actual dinner/dance event, but anyone who drank hardcore did it in their hotel room. If buses are taking them to and fro they don't have the chance to do that.

3. People are so paranoid of letting loose on campus they think they can "get away" with it at an off campus venue. This is almost as stupid as thinking you can get with someone's boyfriend during spring break when you're all on the same trip that was scheduled through your student activities office.

4. Pregaming isn't new. The amount of it is. Our pregaming was (at the hardest) a couple shots of peach Schnapps or a few beers...not a whole bottle of SoCo.

5. Chicks are anorexic and don't eat and can't hold their liquor.

Cosign 4 and 5 especially. I'm in the minority of people I know on campus, Greek or not, that has no problem going to a party sober. SO MANY people I know are like, "there's no way I'm going to go if I'm not drunk it won't be fun otherwise".

I'm not sure when the whole "you have to be drunk to have fun" mentality got to the point it is at now, but in Lexington at least, pregaming is a a bigger deal than the actual event!

Also, yeah, you have to EAT SOMETHING and know your limits, too.

Kids these days...

[MaggieXi]

I preface this by saying that the sorority members and their dates should take responsibility for their actions and should be punished by both the school and their national organizations.

However, it seems like its like the administration knew for a few years that these formals were getting out of hand and chose to do nothing about it/turn the other cheek. Only when they are faced with a media crisis, do they choose to dole out punishments. I think the administration should take some responsibility in this too.

I also think the "dates" need to be held accountable. Even a sober sorority can't control her drunnk date in relieving himself in an inappropriate place. The "dates" need to be held accountable by the school, or even their organization.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by MaggieXi

I preface this by saying that the sorority members and their dates should take responsibility for their actions and should be punished by both the school and their national organizations.

However, it seems like its like the administration knew for a few years that these formals were getting out of hand and chose to do nothing about it/turn the other cheek. Only when they are faced with a media crisis, do they choose to dole out punishments. I think the administration should take some responsibility in this too.

I also think the "dates" need to be held accountable. Even a sober sorority can't control her drunnk date in relieving himself in an inappropriate place. The "dates" need to be held accountable by the school, or even their organization.

Bravo
Unfortunately, the dates get to hide behind the anonymous wall of random date status. The girls would be unlikely to rat them out either.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Bravo
Unfortunately, the dates get to hide behind the anonymous wall of random date status. The girls would be unlikely to rat them out either.

If it's the girls who are 'hiding' them, well then they get to take all of the responsibility anyway. They don't have anyone to blame but themselves for that.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

If it's the girls who are 'hiding' them, well then they get to take all of the responsibility anyway. They don't have anyone to blame but themselves for that.

I agree, college age girls aren't always the smartest.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I agree, college age girls aren't always the smartest.

Hence the very existence of this thread!