AZPHI Rush process please critic and compare

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by AZPHI JOURNEAUX

Thank god someone with a constructive post.

ok apply that to what we do, I'm sorry I don't see it. the student org director closely monitors the group, if he had a problem with it he would ask us to change it.

I know what others do to make their process more fun and such.

to answer all the other questions Illuminati means enlightened.... Wikipedia actually has it close to what we do.... and what we have done.... theres a lot here that isn't discussed and wont be.

as for the Curling, its a sport like any other, go trying before you dis it. its a lot of fun.

as for the Freemasons, for those that don't understand what Freemasons do, yes there are things that Templars do that isn't for the public, but its for the most part a society of philanthropy. we run hospitals for children, that there is no costs for the patents.

Yeah...that's a defense that would hold up in court

I think the point you are missing is that your pledging activities should be constructive and should have a point. Interviewing pledges with a bright light shining in their face is neither. This would also look questionable when added to other activities should something go wrong during your program. And sorry, saying "Well, they don't have to do it if they don't want to" isn't a good enough defense against the hazing charge.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

And sorry, saying "Well, they don't have to do it if they don't want to" isn't a good enough defense against the hazing charge.

Yeah because the question is whether they can decline without any negative consequences.

On that note, what I call "legalized hazing" is so common and normative in so many non-GLO aspects of societies. I understand why GLOers get confused about what is and is not appropriate. That's why they should defer to policies and the law rather than "common sense."

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Yeah because the question is whether they can decline without any negative consequences.

On that note, what I call "legalized hazing" is so common and normative in so many non-GLO aspects of societies. I understand why GLOers get confused about what is and is not appropriate. That's why they should defer to policies and the law rather than "common sense."

Very good point.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by ree-Xi

Oh, thank you for the entertainment tonight.

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. . . [I]"I am both a first degree Freemason and a member of the Illuminati. "

Originally Posted by AZPHI JOURNEAUX

to answer all the other questions Illuminati means enlightened.... Wikipedia actually has it close to what we do.... and what we have done.... theres a lot here that isn't discussed and wont be.

Shades of Dan Brown, now this is some funny stuff. How did I miss this earlier?

Illuminati poser, everyone knows the first rule of the Illuminati is to publically deny that the Illuminati exists. Naughty, naughty Illuminatus.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Yeah because the question is whether they can decline without any negative consequences.

Not exactly, the law seems to add that the forced activity must endanger the physical health or safety of the student. It then goes on to enumerate thigns which definitely violate the Act. An interview (or whatever) under most conditions under this particular Act is fine. This is a pretty weak anti-hazing statute. That said, I'm not licensed to practice law in Wisconsin, so this isn't legal advice. While this particular Act doesn't look applicable to the situation described here, I very well could be wrong.

On that note, what I call "legalized hazing" is so common and normative in so many non-GLO aspects of societies. I understand why GLOers get confused about what is and is not appropriate. That's why they should defer to policies and the law rather than "common sense."

We've had the discussion on this forum a lot of times -- the word "hazing" carries such varying definitions from group to group that it's darn near meaningless. In many cases, groups describe hazing (in part) as something which might cause "mental discomfort." WTF is that? Or better, WTF isn't that?

Am I to understand that the only physically exerting activity for initiation into this group is curling? As in the Olympic sport?

+1000 Internets for weirdness, but what's the issue there?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Not exactly, the law seems to add that the forced activity must endanger the physical health or safety of the student.

I wasn't talking about the law in that part of my post. When you say someone can technically decline something, you have to be realistic about whether declining will result in the same rights, responsibilities, and treatment as those who don't decline.

It rarely does.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I wasn't talking about the law in that part of my post. When you say someone can technically decline something, you have to be realistic about whether declining will result in the same rights, responsibilities, and treatment as those who don't decline.

It rarely does.

Law aside, what does that matter? All Greek organizations I know of require new members to do something. I'm sure in your organization as well as mine, if people opted out of those somethings, there'd be consequences.

As far as the wanna-be-Illuminati stuff, wow.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Law aside, what does that matter? All Greek organizations I know of require new members to do something. I'm sure in your organization as well as mine, if people opted out of those somethings, there'd be consequences.

You missed my point completely. All of our organizations require something formally and officially. I'm clearly talking about the informal and unofficial stuff because those are the things that leave room for hazing and the claim that "pledges" can decline.

[AZPHI JOURNEAUX]

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[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AZPHI JOURNEAUX

wanna-be ?
I'm a 16th generation its a lot more common than you think.

LOL. Sure you are.

Are you a Prince Hall?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by AZPHI JOURNEAUX

wanna-be ?
I'm a 16th generation its a lot more common than you think.

Oh okay.

Sorry guys, I thought your picking on this kid was maybe unjustifiable.

I definitely missed something. Context is important sometimes.

[AZPHI JOURNEAUX]

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