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Originally Posted by traditionalSPE2
No BMP inductees do not go through full ritual until they are older and that is completely untrue. BMP is turning a great social fraternity into an academic honors society which is NOT what a fraternity is supposed to be. Go to any school where SPE has been forced to become balanced man and they are a bottom tiered no matter where you look. I have been to schools where they are BMP and NO-ONE takes them seriously. It usually starts with "they are wimps, they have pledging, no one takes them seriously on campus, give bids to everyone, etc." The only chapters that are still relevant and produce the wealthiest and most successful alumni are those that are (or were) traditional chapters.
You must have some period of mental and physical anguish to bring men together and respect each other. Think of it as a bit like boot camp where you turn civilians into men who would take a bullet for each other in a second. It sucks for a few weeks but after it is done you will never be the same. Some of the activities are what would today be considered "hazing" but this is still needed to build better men. Yeah so maybe some of us were "hazed" but so what? It was hazing and pledging that turned us into better men. You can't just give someone their letters immediately without them proving they are worthy of them.
The same can't be said for BMP there is no real obstacle to becoming a brother. You said you have met brothers from pledging chapters who dont live up to the fraternity's values. Maybe our interpretation of the founding principles of the fraternity are different then yours. In our eyes in order to build virtue, diligence, and "brotherly love" you all must suffer and go through hell together before you can really really live up to these principles (particularly the latter).
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It was the lack of hazing that turned all of my Brothers into better men. But everyone is different. And maybe our principles are interpreted different. But I feel that VDBL should be encouraged and fostered within each Brother, not forced. To me, that's how it's truly understood. And it took me 9 weeks to earn my letters. It isn't like I just walked in the door, got my letters, and then sat around coasting on through. Like I said before, I actually had to do stuff to climb my way through the BMP.
The thing is that I've seen pledge model and BMP chapters succeed and fail. That's why I feel the way I do. It's not like I'm just sitting on one side of the fence. Of course I'm a bit biased, but it's truly what I feel.
Also, why gauge the success of a chapter by how much money the alumni make? That's stupid. I was just at one of my alum's $3mil lake house this weekend. So what?
"No BMP inductees do not go through full ritual until they are older and that is completely untrue."
I don't know what you're saying with this sentence. Double negatives don't make sense.
But I read the Ritual guide from a pledge model chapter and it was the exact same Ritual I have been through.
And I'm sure BMP chapters are not bottom tiered everywhere. We're top tier at my school while the chapters that pledge around me are all on their way to being shut down because they're not able to recruit members. Hell, I can brag to you about my BMP chapter for days and I'm sure you can brag about your pledging chapter just the same.
This argument is never going to get anywhere. Ever.
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