HELP! Can I rush a new sorority!?

[ASUADPi]

I think the "problem" is that the current generation of students entering college have the "entitled" feeling because they have been given everything they want by either parents, grandparents and even teachers. You wouldn't believe the stupid teenagers I have to deal with in my BIO 201 class who act like they are entitled (ex. they wanted the teacher to push back a test because of Easter. They actually convinced her to push back a test for the super bowl). Now, I'm not saying that all the people in this generation behave this way, but I think this generation will be known as the "entitled generation" (where I grew up as like generation x or y or some letter of the alphabet. LOL)

[ThetaPrincess24]

I thought this was interesting:

Narcissism & Young People

http://www.usnews.com/health/family-...sists-now.html


I'm tempted to purchase that book. Maybe it would help me out in my advising role

[33girl]

Originally Posted by ASUADPi

They actually convinced her to push back a test for the super bowl).

Was this for this year or last year? If it was last year, when the Cardinals were playing, I don't know why anyone would have scheduled any tests (or Monday classes) to begin with.

And trust me...it isn't just the generation. It's the pledge program. (or lack of same)

[ThetaPrincess24]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Was this for this year or last year? If it was last year, when the Cardinals were playing, I don't know why anyone would have scheduled any tests (or Monday classes) to begin with.

And trust me...it isn't just the generation. It's the pledge program. (or lack of same)

Maybe it is a Panhellenic problem by not educating PNM's during the recruitment process that it is for life and once initiated you absolutely cannot ever join another NPC group period.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by ThetaPrincess24

Maybe it is a Panhellenic problem by not educating PNM's during the recruitment process that it is for life and once initiated you absolutely cannot ever join another NPC group period.

I thought of that too, but I think NPC would be somewhat afraid of doing that in that women might misinterpret during the craziness of rush and think that they weren't allowed to depledge.

[ASUADPi]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Was this for this year or last year? If it was last year, when the Cardinals were playing, I don't know why anyone would have scheduled any tests (or Monday classes) to begin with.

And trust me...it isn't just the generation. It's the pledge program. (or lack of same)

[hijack]No it was this years super bowl. But for me the thing is, your in college now. You aren't entitled to anything except getting an education. You know when tests, projects, homework is due, stop making excuses on why "it can't" be done and why you can't study. I'm sorry, even if the Cardinals had made it to the super bowl this year, I still would have studied. Hello, all frickin weekend. Unless you plan on being wasted all weekend. [end hijack]

I just think today's generation is full of excuses.

[ThetaPrincess24]

Originally Posted by ASUADPi

I just think today's generation is full of excuses.

Yes. Quite pitiful ones I might add! I can write VOLUMES on the excuses I have received over the past two years as a recruitment advisor regarding recruitment excuses and why people cant/think they cant show up to recruitment, workshops, practices, etc.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by ThetaPrincess24

Yes. Quite pitiful ones I might add! I can write VOLUMES on the excuses I have received over the past two years as a recruitment advisor regarding recruitment excuses and why people cant/think they cant show up to recruitment, workshops, practices, etc.

EXACTLY.

When I was active, I went to everything, and so did the rest of my chapter... without question. Unless you had a wedding, sporting event, or work that you just couldn't get out of, excuses were unheard of.

NOW... I have never heard so many excuses from girls. People make up excuses so that they don't have to go to MIXERS! Why would you want to miss out on the fun stuff? And sometimes, it's because they're "studying"... on a Saturday night. Ironically, the chapter's GPA was a whole lot higher when I was active than it is now, and we had twice as many mixers as they do now.

And not too long ago, I had put on a recruitment workshop. Only half of the chapter attended. A few girls had legitimate excuses, but when 15 girls in a chapter of 27 show up, what's the point?

A girl I know from another school who is active in her chapter right now told me that they have started making certain events optional to attend, which, as she put it, kind of sucks. It's good in that she finds that the only girls who show up to things are the ones who truly want to be there. However... it also showed her who doesn't really care, and who's taking up space in the chapter, and not leaving room for potential members who want to contribute something. But now, there's nothing they can do about it because these girls aren't required to go to anything.

The thing that confuses me most about this... why would you want to pay hundreds (and in some cases, thousands) of dollars for.. well.. nothing?

[honeychile]

I have a GREAT mp3 that I received in email that would play perfectly here. If somebody wants to tell me how to post it, I'd be happy to try.

33, I just emailed it to you, if you know how to post them.

[33girl]

Oh, we had people who used the "I have to study" excuse to get out of mixers too (or who just stayed for the at-the-time required half hour and went home). Usually they were older sisters who were a little scared of the new and different fraternities we were mixing with that weren't the old reliables. We all have some lame sisters. It's the truth.

But let's face facts: these policies - super easy pledgeship, getting rid of/restricting mandatory events, and making it hard (if not impossible) to get rid of lame pledges or sisters - aren't being made by current students. They're being made by the national councils and HQs who on one hand are terrified of getting sued for hazing, emotional distress, what have you, and on the other hand are scared to death of being perceived as politically incorrect or elitist. It's nice of them to believe that just getting a bid to a wonderful group will turn your attitude around and make you a responsible person who gives your all to your sorority but life just isn't a bowl of cherries like that.

Like als463 said, the NPHC groups don't seem to have this problem...at least to this extent...and they're taking members that are the same age. So I think to just say "this generation sucks" is a little bit too pat.

hc: I don't know how mp3s work at all.

[ThetaPrincess24]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

EXACTLY.

When I was active, I went to everything, and so did the rest of my chapter... without question. Unless you had a wedding, sporting event, or work that you just couldn't get out of, excuses were unheard of.

NOW... I have never heard so many excuses from girls. People make up excuses so that they don't have to go to MIXERS! Why would you want to miss out on the fun stuff? And sometimes, it's because they're "studying"... on a Saturday night. Ironically, the chapter's GPA was a whole lot higher when I was active than it is now, and we had twice as many mixers as they do now.

And not too long ago, I had put on a recruitment workshop. Only half of the chapter attended. A few girls had legitimate excuses, but when 15 girls in a chapter of 27 show up, what's the point?

A girl I know from another school who is active in her chapter right now told me that they have started making certain events optional to attend, which, as she put it, kind of sucks. It's good in that she finds that the only girls who show up to things are the ones who truly want to be there. However... it also showed her who doesn't really care, and who's taking up space in the chapter, and not leaving room for potential members who want to contribute something. But now, there's nothing they can do about it because these girls aren't required to go to anything.

The thing that confuses me most about this... why would you want to pay hundreds (and in some cases, thousands) of dollars for.. well.. nothing?

I agree!

Regarding studying on a Saturday night. This may depend on the specific person/major. The reason I say that is because I was in business management with my first degree with an HR emphasis. Every one of those classes is group work and are built on 4 phase projects that are roughly 100 pages of work each. Well if you get to phase 3 and realized you goofed on something in phase 1, then that also puts off phase 2 and you have to redo everything, otherwise phase 3 is off and phase 4 is impossible to complete. Such a scenario happened to me with two of my groups. It wasnt unusual at all when a Monday deadline was approaching to have the school library tables completely taken up by groups of business students from open to close--even on Friday & Saturday nights. With how the classes were structured you kinda had to meet when everyone in your group could meet which meant sorority life gets put on the backburner. Especially if the class is required to graduate and is offered only once a year. My last semester I had three group oriented classes that were this intense (about killed me). My instructors had to write letters for me to the chapter, and turn in a course syllabus for each class because the chapter "excuse collector" and her advisor were giving me problems. I'm not saying this was your student's case. My situation was probably much different from most majors, but such an excuse COULD be possible.

Anywho, I had a student last summer tell me she couldnt come to summer recruitment retreat because her car broke down and didnt have a ride. Her car broke down two weeks before retreat and she knew about retreat for atleast three months. She also lived in an area that was close to other members that she could have gotten a ride with to retreat. She was not excused and I was not amused. Another student actually flat out told me she couldnt come because she didnt have time. Our advisory board chair about busted a vein over that one!