Embarrsing another GDI wearing Greek Shirts

[shirley1929]

Originally Posted by TPA85

No. Why there is a difference to some people baffles me! They still represent the same thing and imo should only be worn by members.

The same as I wouldn't let someone wear my badge if it were made with gold plating instead of gold, I wouldn't let anyone but a sister wear my letters.

I'm honestly confused by this. So if ABC and XYZ (both sororities) have an event together, they can't jointly make shirts with their letters on them to give out to both groups because the "other" group's letters are on it?

I think this must be a campus culture thing.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by TPA85

No. Why there is a difference to some people baffles me! They still represent the same thing and imo should only be worn by members.

But that's the point -- some kinds of clothing (like jerseys with block letters) typically do represent membership while other kinds (like event tee shirts) typically indicate attendance at the event rather than membership. Hence the distinction some groups and some campuses make.

And I guess it bears saying again: Different GLOs have different policies about non-members wearing letters. We should all be following the policies of our own GLOs regarding our letters and not worry about other org's policies and letters.

And to get back to the topic of the thread, I would hope that no one here would be ill-mannered enough to intentionally embarrass a non-member wearing letters.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

But that's the point -- some kinds of clothing (like jerseys with block letters) typically do represent membership while other kinds (like event tee shirts) typically indicate attendance at the event rather than membership. Hence the distinction some groups and some campuses make.

And I guess it bears saying again: Different GLOs have different policies about non-members wearing letters. We should all be following the policies of our own GLOs regarding our letters and not worry about other org's policies and letters.

And to get back to the topic of the thread, I would hope that no one here would be ill-mannered enough to intentionally embarrass a non-member wearing letters.

Ditto. The world won't end if someone is wearing my letters that isn't an AOII. I know I've personally given formal shirts and crawfish boil shirts to more dates in the past than I can count that have AOII all over them. Alpha Omicron Pi is still going strong. I've even seen a homeless person wearing such a shirt. It's not ideal, but I won't tear my hair out about it.

[shirley1929]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Ditto. The world won't end if someone is wearing my letters that isn't an AOII. I know I've personally given formal shirts and crawfish boil shirts to more dates in the past than I can count that have AOII all over them. Alpha Omicron Pi is still going strong. I've even seen a homeless person wearing such a shirt. It's not ideal, but I won't tear my hair out about it.

Agreed. Plus at some schools the sororities all give out crate loads of shirts that say "Rush XYZ" to any fraternity boy who will wear it. It's PR for them and I don't think people are too worried about them not knowing what the letters mean while wearing them.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

But that's the point -- some kinds of clothing (like jerseys with block letters) typically do represent membership while other kinds (like event tee shirts) typically indicate attendance at the event rather than membership. Hence the distinction some groups and some campuses make.

And I guess it bears saying again: Different GLOs have different policies about non-members wearing letters. We should all be following the policies of our own GLOs regarding our letters and not worry about other org's policies and letters.

Vito wasn't talking about event t-shirts (for mixers, Greek week, what have you). He was talking about a screen printed t-shirt with nothing but Greek letters on it and why that would be OK for nonmembers to wear, but stitched letters are verboten.

k_s (and everyone), a shirt that says "Rush XYZ" or a button that says "I heart XYZ" is different from a shirt with ONLY the Greek letters on it. The first does not imply membership, the second does (whether it's stitched, screen printed or written in blood). I'm hoping the stuff katydid KD was talking about in her post a page or two down had a "rush" qualifier on it.

[katydidKD]

Originally Posted by 33girl

k_s (and everyone), a shirt that says "Rush XYZ" or a button that says "I heart XYZ" is different from a shirt with ONLY the Greek letters on it. The first does not imply membership, the second does (whether it's stitched, screen printed or written in blood). I'm hoping the stuff katydid KD was talking about in her post a page or two down had a "rush" qualifier on it.

The ones I've personally been given say either rush XYZ or I heart XYZ. However, fraternities on my campus give letters to girls like crazy. Probably not right, but that is how it is. Not saying I agree with it, but thats something that XYZ fraternity decides to do with their XYZ letters. It is good pr/"fratty" for them to have women wearing their letters (i see a lot of jerseys, hats, any kind of t shirt.) Sororities do it too, but not as much. I've never seen stitch sorority letters, buy guys are wearing shirts with screen printed letters very often.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by 33girl

k_s (and everyone), a shirt that says "Rush XYZ" or a button that says "I heart XYZ" is different from a shirt with ONLY the Greek letters on it. The first does not imply membership, the second does (whether it's stitched, screen printed or written in blood). I'm hoping the stuff katydid KD was talking about in her post a page or two down had a "rush" qualifier on it.

That's not what I was talking about.

I thought that "Rush XYZ" shirts were given to women from fraternity men, but not the other way around (for fear of being un-Panhellenic). At least, that's the impression I got from reading GC.

katydidKD's post cleared that up, though (she said it's done, but not as often).

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

And to get back to the topic of the thread, I would hope that no one here would be ill-mannered enough to intentionally embarrass a non-member wearing letters.

It depends on the context.

It isn't about ill-manner but rather about different protocols and traditions across councils/conferences and GLOs.

[katydidKD]

Originally Posted by TPA85

No. Why there is a difference to some people baffles me! They still represent the same thing and imo should only be worn by members.

The same as I wouldn't let someone wear my badge if it were made with gold plating instead of gold, I wouldn't let anyone but a sister wear my letters.

So if you happened to have parents event, does your chapter not get shirts that have TPA letters on them for your parents since they aren't members?

[TPA85]

GROUP shirts (co-sponsoring, Greek Week) are a different thing.
If I wear a shirt that says "Cookout sponsored by XYZ fraternity" then that shows who provided the funds and place to have a cookout. Or a "Greek Week" shirt with all the orgs listed... it's assumed that I'm a member of one of those, but none specific.

If I walk around wearing a ABC shirt, people would assume I'm an ABC. And if I haven't been taught ABC's values then I could misrepresent that organization. Whether it's cloth letters, twill, or screenprint.

[katydidKD]

Ones made for XYZ fraternity that said RUSH ABC sorority would never happen at my campus per panhellenic (like k_s mentioned), and that is what i thought you meant prior to your clarification.

[shirley1929]

Originally Posted by katydidKD

Ones made for XYZ fraternity that said RUSH ABC sorority would never happen at my campus per panhellenic (like k_s mentioned), and that is what i thought you meant prior to your clarification.

Gotcha. Just sincerely curious though, what's the difference between "Rush ABC" and "Go ABC"? Isn't the implication the same? I think I'm splitting hairs, but I'm genuinely curious if there's a line crossed...?

[katydidKD]

Originally Posted by shirley1929

Gotcha. Just sincerely curious though, what's the difference between "Rush ABC" and "Go ABC"? Isn't the implication the same? I think I'm splitting hairs, but I'm genuinely curious if there's a line crossed...?

I see what you're saying. I can see if this became as widespread on my campus as it is on the ones you mentioned it being a problem with panhellenic (go or rush) and resulting in infractions.

DrPhil--- yes its problematic, but it does attract PNM's, and shirley1929's explanation pretty much covers it. Goes both ways though, and is wayyyy more outright with fraternities (who do make shirts, for girls, that say RUSH ABC) and is not a problem with IFC, nor will be (with the IFC on my campus). One fraternity actually made pink AA v-necks that said SE(sigma)XY (sigma chi) for girls of their choice.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by katydidKD

DrPhil--- yes its problematic, but it does attract PNM's, and shirley1929's explanation pretty much covers it. Goes both ways though, and is wayyyy more outright with fraternities (who do make shirts, for girls, that say RUSH ABC) and is not a problem with IFC, nor will be (with the IFC on my campus). One fraternity actually made pink AA v-necks that said SE(sigma)XY (sigma chi) for girls of their choice.

Thanks.

I think it's problematic that some fraternity chapters do that. I consider it embedded in the same thing that makes some fraternity men wear those disrespectful sexist fraternity tshirts. It's all saying "we have the hot women, come rush us."

[katydidKD]

This thread is morphing into advertising/marketing discussion lol. Now that you mentioned McDonald's, I'm thinking of the Burger King commercial with Miss Turkey. It reeked of sexism, and I'm sure worked too.

ETA: Carl's, not BK. The Commercial