House passes health care bill on 219-212 vote

[Beryana]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

And no...healthy people don't get cancer quickly! What does that even mean? I actually am a mammographer and diagnose cancer all day long. Cancer rates are pretty static. Even with insurance, healthy people are unlikely to seek medical care. They just pay for coverage which defrays the cost of care for people who actually use their coverage. If you don't understand what I am talking about, then you don't know how insurance has been working for the past 50 years. Eliminating the pre-existing condition clause decreases profits and may raise rates, but this will be offset by the vast increased number of customers, most of whom are healthy.

And what is not very quickly in your eyes? A clear mammogram the end of April and a large lump and a diagnosis of breast cancer the end of September? Is that not quickly? In my book 5 months is rather quickly. . .
Healthy people go to the doctor and use the insurance for preventative purposes typically. And some of us attempt to use our insurance for preventative purposes (or to establish a baseline due to family histories of diseases) and deal with doctors that won't even do that.

Oh and I DO understand how insurance and insurance companies work very well, thank you - and not just health insurance companies. Once again, insurance companies aren't here to make their customers happy, they answer to the stockholders who like those dividend checks.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Beryana

And what is not very quickly in your eyes? A clear mammogram the end of April and a large lump and a diagnosis of breast cancer the end of September? Is that not quickly? In my book 5 months is rather quickly. . .
Healthy people go to the doctor and use the insurance for preventative purposes typically. And some of us attempt to use our insurance for preventative purposes (or to establish a baseline due to family histories of diseases) and deal with doctors that won't even do that.

Oh and I DO understand how insurance and insurance companies work very well, thank you - and not just health insurance companies. Once again, insurance companies aren't here to make their customers happy, they answer to the stockholders who like those dividend checks.

You are making very little sense and yes I agree that insurance companies are there to make money. No, breast cancer doesn't grow de novo in 5 months. Cancer grows from a single cell. Most cancers when found have been present for 10-15 years but can't be detected. I'm not going to argue medicine with you because you are not armed, but your experience is your experience. I don't have your mother's films to see if something was missed. Mammography is not perfect. Just because a cancer was not seen on one mammogram doesn't mean it was not there. In fact, by definition, it was a false negative mammogram. But as I said before, cancer rates are fairly static. If you enroll all healthy people, a certain percentage will be diagnosed with cancer. It isn't magical. Statistics actually aren't made up. We actually can rely on them. Insurance companies use them all the time, that's how they decide how much your rate should be with your history if you went to buy a policy on your own. They don't just randomly assign a number.