House passes health care bill on 219-212 vote

[33girl]

Originally Posted by sako

Low cost? Is health care cheap?

How does someone purchase expensive health care at low cost? Who makes up the difference? Isn't the actual cost then passed on to someone else which raises the costs?

No. The insurance has higher copays and deductibles, but they do have something in place in case of emergencies. In other words, you get what you pay for.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Good question. I've always wondered how the red neck trailer trash pos douchbag walmart shoppers without money and a grocery cart full of dirty disgusting kids contribute to the pool. Maybe they can start by getting a GED.

Great trivia. Good question I dunno. Maybe you can answer this triva question. Why do red neck trailer trash morons drive 20 year old pick up trucks without insurance? Probably because they're stupid and illiterate.

All they do is sit their jobless, lazy butts at home watching nascar and drinking the beer that I paid for.

It works both ways, you prick!

Two prejudices don't make a right. Why not ignore trolls?

[Kappamd]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Good question. I've always wondered how the red neck trailer trash pos douchbag walmart shoppers without money and a grocery cart full of dirty disgusting kids contribute to the pool. Maybe they can start by getting a GED.

Great trivia. Good question I dunno. Maybe you can answer this triva question. Why do red neck trailer trash morons drive 20 year old pick up trucks without insurance? Probably because they're stupid and illiterate.

All they do is sit their jobless, lazy butts at home watching nascar and drinking the beer that I paid for.

It works both ways, you prick!

Pot, meet kettle.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by sako

I agree. Cut the trailer trash off too. If we use the , health care will be cheaper because we are adding all the trailer trash to the pool. The reality is the costs will be passed on to the rest of us that work.

PS. The official name for trailer trash is_______.

It's not based on race, it's based on the individual person. It works both ways.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Good question. I've always wondered how the red neck trailer trash pos douchbag walmart shoppers without money and a grocery cart full of dirty disgusting kids contribute to the pool. Maybe they can start by getting a GED.

Great trivia. Good question I dunno. Maybe you can answer this triva question. Why do red neck trailer trash morons drive 20 year old pick up trucks without insurance? Probably because they're stupid and illiterate.

All they do is sit their jobless, lazy butts at home watching nascar and drinking the beer that I paid for.

It works both ways, you prick!

Umm...what?

[Gatorbaby]

I'm reluctant to post only because I believe this is one of the few things I'm *not* supposed to talk about at Rush (haha, I'm getting into that mode..). But here goes.

Ladies..and gentlemen...please, please trust Federalism. Already, 37 (or 39?) states have filed suit against the national government. The balance between the national and state powers has not been struck and many states are upset (rightfully so) concerning the passage of this bill and the powers given to the national government under it.
Also remember that voters have the power to change things. If you do not like how the legislation is going, please, feel free to change your votes this November and do not re-elect either your Congresspeople (most importantly - the House...because these folks set legislation as to how the people should be taxed - they are representing you and your beliefs). The reverse goes for if you like the outcome to the healthcare bill.
I can't form a complete opinion on the bill because I haven't read its >1,000 pages, and, as Ms. Pelosi once said (something to the effect of) we wouldn't know exactly what we were passing until we've passed it, and I haven't even taken a shot at the legal jargon that's presented in it. Does any normal, working person have the time to?
I do have an opinion as far as the legislation goes. The fact it passed by such a slim margin disturbs me. I feel uncomfortable with that. The politics that are going into this bill (and disregard for the people or the deficeit) concern me, though.
Only time will tell..

[KSUViolet06]

Guess the limited edition Jordans have to go back to the store.

*hangs head*

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

It's not based on race, it's based on the individual person. It works both ways.

This is really all you had to say to get your point across. Sometimes less is more. Like I told you, (and you at one time had it as your siggy) when you argue with a fool, then you have two.

And you got one mo' time to talk about NASCAR..one mo'...ya hear? Now, say somethin'.

[PrettyBoy]

I don't have much to say on it, but based on all the protesting, I sure hope nobody gets shot over this.

Rodney has something to say too.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Unlike the inherent inefficiencies of insurance companies with huge executive salaries? If everything the government runs is inherently inefficient, maybe we should privatize the Army and the Navy.

While I think you raise valid points that are open to reasonable debate, I think overgeneralizations like this detract greatly from that reasonable debate.

Why don't we ask Mitt Romney. Wasn't it his idea first?

Exactly, that's where they got the idea, and it's working in Massachusetts. That's why Massachusetts didn't want a new federal mandate, they already have universal care in that state. For anyone who says that including everyone doesn't bring down rates, just look at Massachusetts. The only real issue they are currently having is that they have a shortage of primary care physicians. This is what we really need to worry about!

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

My point is spending a little more time to figure it out in the first place would decrease repeated visits and a lot of irritation on both ends. I realize a few people are going to come through with true mystery illnesses, but surely those are minority cases. Specialists that I have been referred to have been no more helpful than the two doctors I've been to before. Not taking no for an answer is easier said than done when doctors simply don't want to take the time to find the problem. I'll eventually find the right doctor but in the meantime it's frustrating to spend copious amounts of time and money shopping around, especially since I know it would be easier for a doctor that has already seen me to get a read on the problem than a new one who has to review my file and start from scratch. (For the record the only helpful hint I've gotten is actually from a family friend who is a doctor and suggested an autoimmune disease, and as the only disease in that category that can be ruled out in my case is HIV my next step is to present this theory to my doctor...we'll see how it goes this time.)

The problem with this is that physicians are not paid to spend time with patients. Primary care physicians have been slowly cut down over the years to such minimal reimbursements so that they have to see patients every ten minutes. In order to see enough patients to pay their rent, office staff and make a reasonable salary, they have to see patients that frequently. Thank the medicare cuts. It's frustrating for physicians, as well, even though you think it's not. Doctors really do want to spend more time with their patients. That's why some doctors have started concierge services where they limit their patient load and charge a set fee for all you want medical service. It's expensive, but you get impeccable care.

[AGDee]

The other advantage to those who are already insured that I don't believe has been mentioned, is the ability for parents to keep their kids on their insurance until the age of 26. This means I can actually insure my kids until they finish grad school, which is a wonderful bonus.

[Beryana]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

And no...healthy people don't get cancer quickly! What does that even mean? I actually am a mammographer and diagnose cancer all day long. Cancer rates are pretty static. Even with insurance, healthy people are unlikely to seek medical care. They just pay for coverage which defrays the cost of care for people who actually use their coverage. If you don't understand what I am talking about, then you don't know how insurance has been working for the past 50 years. Eliminating the pre-existing condition clause decreases profits and may raise rates, but this will be offset by the vast increased number of customers, most of whom are healthy.

And what is not very quickly in your eyes? A clear mammogram the end of April and a large lump and a diagnosis of breast cancer the end of September? Is that not quickly? In my book 5 months is rather quickly. . .
Healthy people go to the doctor and use the insurance for preventative purposes typically. And some of us attempt to use our insurance for preventative purposes (or to establish a baseline due to family histories of diseases) and deal with doctors that won't even do that.

Oh and I DO understand how insurance and insurance companies work very well, thank you - and not just health insurance companies. Once again, insurance companies aren't here to make their customers happy, they answer to the stockholders who like those dividend checks.

[Beryana]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

The problem with this is that physicians are not paid to spend time with patients. Primary care physicians have been slowly cut down over the years to such minimal reimbursements so that they have to see patients every ten minutes. In order to see enough patients to pay their rent, office staff and make a reasonable salary, they have to see patients that frequently. Thank the medicare cuts. It's frustrating for physicians, as well, even though you think it's not. Doctors really do want to spend more time with their patients. That's why some doctors have started concierge services where they limit their patient load and charge a set fee for all you want medical service. It's expensive, but you get impeccable care.

Which is why some of us are leaving the broken system and finding a doctor with whom we can actually build a relationship. Doctors CAN fix the broken system as well, insurance is not the be all end all solution to this country's medical problems.

[Beryana]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

As for Beryana...If I am the reason you don't go to doctors, you are a fool.

Umm...I don't go to doctors because I'm typically not sick. . . I just don't like your attitude that people can't know their own bodies or do their own research and bring some intelligence to the table. I also don't put doctors up on a pedestal as you are also human and don't necessarily know everything about everything.

I've had bad experiences with Family Practitioners as well as specialists. Not spending more than a few minutes with a patient missed a MAJOR diagnosis (a STROKE!!). Why bother going in to see a doctor if they don't care about a patient?

And I really don't care what you think about me because I'll never be coming to see you or your husband in any capacity, professional or otherwise.