Tom Delay: People Are Unemployed Because They Want To Be

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

Just putting it out there moreso to say that if you are unemployed, hang on. You never know what is around the corner for you. Just keep at it.

That isn't really the topic, though.

Did als463 essentially post her resume`? LOL For the record, there are many things that younger people don't know that older people know through direct and indirect experience. Success at finding a job when you graduated from college in 2007 doesn't necessarily mean much. And what salary, experience, and resume` circulation mean for a relatively new college graduate is different than what it means for someone who has been out of college longer.

[als463]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

That isn't really the topic, though.

Did als463 essentially post her resume`? LOL For the record, there are many things that younger people don't know that older people know through direct and indirect experience. Success at finding a job when you graduated from college in 2007 doesn't necessarily mean much. And what salary, experience, and resume` circulation mean for a relatively new college graduate is different than what it means for someone who has been out of college longer.

Well, when Knight_Shadow asked what I had done with myself, I told him. I was showing that you can find a job if you really-really try. To sit there and say that "success at finding a job when you graduated from college in 2007 doesn't necessarily mean much," seems to go against this whole thread, doesn't it? You have people on here complaining that they attempted to find jobs as recent college graduates, but couldn't fnd a job. Then, there were people saying that they were "over-qualified" for jobs because of their college degrees, yet you think that finding a job right away is not a success?

Considering many people are talking about having trouble finding a job, I think it is very successful. To get technical, I graduated college in 2004 with my A.A., so I find it very successful to have worked up until I decided to go back to school. I put out tons of applications, so I realize the hard time people may have finding a job, but if you aren't willing to put out (at least 20 resumes a week) all over the place when you have been unemployed for more than a year, then you aren't trying that hard, in my eyes.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by als463

To sit there and say that "success at finding a job when you graduated from college in 2007 doesn't necessarily mean much," seems to go against this whole thread, doesn't it?....yet you think that finding a job right away is not a success?

I'm saying the same thing that knight_shadow said.

[als463]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I'm saying the same thing that knight_shadow said.

No. You really aren't. If you are college-educated, and you put out applications everywhere, you will eventually find something. I knew people who were caseworkers with me that had degrees in agriculture, recreational park management, etc. and they were willing to take the civil service test and become caseworkers.

People are on here complaining that they can't find jobs, and when I say that I found jobs, you find a way to tell me that I'm not successful for getting something that other people are saying that can't get. I don't feel like you are trying to be constructive, I think you are trying to find something wrong with what I say, so you can have something flippant to say.

I consider myself very successful. I also realize that if I wasn't willing to take a major pay-cut and get some job to pay my bills, that was my fault. Had I not joined the military when I was able-bodied (but unemployed), that would have been my fault, but I joined at 17, so I didn't really worry about that. Being unemployed sucks. I get that. What I don't get is people going on GC and name-calling Kevin and people who agree with him. By telling someone that they have gnats for brains because they agree with him is pretty immature.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by als463

No. You really aren't. If you are college-educated, and you put out applications everywhere, you will eventually find something. I knew people who were caseworkers with me that had degrees in agriculture, recreational park management, etc. and they were willing to take the civil service test and become caseworkers.

People are on here complaining that they can't find jobs, and when I say that I found jobs, you find a way to tell me that I'm not successful for getting something that other people are saying that can't get. I don't feel like you are trying to be constructive, I think you are trying to find something wrong with what I say, so you can have something flippant to say.

I consider myself very successful. I also realize that if I wasn't willing to take a major pay-cut and get some job to pay my bills, that was my fault. Had I not joined the military when I was able-bodied (but unemployed), that would have been my fault, but I joined at 17, so I didn't really worry about that. Being unemployed sucks. I get that. What I don't get is people going on GC and name-calling Kevin and people who agree with him. By telling someone that they have gnats for brains because they agree with him is pretty immature.

On the contrary -- You (and Kevin, for that matter) were very lucky to find jobs that quickly. I think the fact that you were able to secure employment so soon has jaded you. There are MANY people who have the drive and ambition who just can't get a break.

ETA: Your post mentions your colleagues that changed industries and secured jobs as caseworkers. Again, this is an option, but it doesn't always work. If you have 5 years experience as, say, a financial analyst, starting over as a caseworker is not that easy. For one, the way that you approach work is VASTLY different. Your work experience also doesn't compliment that industry.

I think the point that everyone is trying to get across is that it's not as cut-and-dry as some might think it is.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I think the point that everyone is trying to get across is that it's not as cut-and-dry as some might think it is.

That should really go without saying but has been said for pages.

If these people REALLY agree with Kevin's tone and overall message then all of my posts to him also apply to them.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

That should really go without saying but has been said for pages.

If these people REALLY agree with Kevin's tone and overall message then all of my posts to him also apply to them.

It SHOULD go without saying, but you know how it is...

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by als463

No. You really aren't.

Yes, I am. Finding a job fresh out of college in 2007 means nothing (in the context of the present recession and discussion in this thread).

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

FYI -- 2007 =/= late 2008-2010. The country was not in the same state at that point in time.

And salary history makes a difference. Many employers now ask for salary history. Even if you leave off your additional degrees, the amount of money that you've made in the past makes a difference.

There, I spelled it out for you. You're welcome.

[als463]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Yes, I am. Finding a job fresh out of college in 2007 means nothing (in the context of the present recession and discussion in this thread).



There, I spelled it out for you. You're welcome.

Apparently you didn't read the rest of my post. I'm shocked by that considering you complain when other people don't go back and read. I said I also found a job in 2008 and then in 2009, while working on my Masters.

So, considering that it is only a few months in to 2010, I'm not fresh out of college and that was during the present recession. Don't try telling me that finding a job fresh out of college, or within the last few years is something I shouldn't be proud of. It seems as though you are just trying to find a reason to argue with me.

As far as caseworkers go, anyone can do that-if they choose. You must be willing to take the horrible pay, but regardless of what your major is, you can do it. A lot of children, elderly, etc. need people who are educated and willing to advocate for them. There are tons of jobs in human services fields (and I don't mean McDonald's).

Neither one of my parents has a college degree. My mother works for the state and my father works for the federal government. My boyfriend's brother, who is wheel-chair bound, works for the county. My boyfriend's step-mother (once again, someone with no college degree) works for a major hospital in my area. I have a college degree and many of my friends have college degrees. Between friends who have college degrees and those who never attended college, all are employed. Do they make the best money? No. Do they love their jobs? Not really. The truth is, they are doing what they need to do in order to pay their bills.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by als463

Apparently you didn't read the rest of my post. I'm shocked by that considering you complain when other people don't go back and read.

I'm talking about what you did in 2007 because you started with what you did in 2007 for a reason. I skimmed the rest of the resume` that you posted and think it also means nothing for the larger topic.

But, since you want me to acknowledge it, congrats on also finding a job in 2008 and 2009. You aren't the only person who did so, and even many of those people still understand the general sentiment expressed in this thread. It is unfortunate that you do not.

What now?

[libramunoz]

Originally Posted by als463

As far as caseworkers go, anyone can do that-if they choose. You must be willing to take the horrible pay, but regardless of what your major is, you can do it. A lot of children, elderly, etc. need people who are educated and willing to advocate for them.

I'm going to stop you right here and right now and I REALLY don't give a flying fart on toast what you think about what I am about to say.

I AM A FUCKING SOCIAL WORKER, I HAVE DONE THIS SHIT FOR OVER 12 YEARS!

THE "MAGICAL JOBS" THAT YOU SAY ARE OUT THERE FOR CASEWORKERS, AREN'T! DUH, DUH, DUH!

YOU NEED TO JUST SIT DOWN AND JUST STOP BECAUSE YOU ARE BOUND AND DETERMINED TO HURT YOURSELF IF YOU CONTINUE! YOUR LIMITED KNOWLEDGE ABOUT BEING A CASEWORKER OR A SOCIAL WORKER IS PATHETIC AT BEST AND STUPID AT WORST!

I STUDIED THIS SHIT FOR 5 AND 1/2 YEARS AND I HAVE BEEN SPECIFICALLY TRAINED TO DO THIS SHIT BACKWARDS, FORWARDS, UPSIDE DOWN, DOWN SIDE UP, TO THE RIGHT AND TO THE LEFT, AND GOING IN AT IT ON A DIAGONAL BASIS.

THE "MAGICAL JOBS" THAT YOU REPORT TO BE THERE WITHIN CASEWORK AREN'T THERE! DUH! DUH! DUH!

WHAT IN THE FLYING SQUIRREL FUCK DO YOU THINK THAT I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FIND A JOB IN---ENGINEERING OR AS A NEUROLOGIST? HUH? I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR A JOB IN SOCIAL WORK/CASE WORK/CASE MANAGEMENT FOR THE LAST 2 YEARS AND HAVEN'T FOUND ONE!

SO PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY IN WAR OF WITCHCRAFT, WHERE OH WHERE ARE THOSE CASEWORKING JOBS? HUH?

PLEASE TELL ME WHERE?

As far as being a Social Worker, duh, most that are in those jobs understand what a RECESSION is and they are going to...KEEP THOSE BLOOD SUCKING JOBS UNTIL THE MOLE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THEIR ASS FALLS OFF!

People within those jobs ain't just trying to give it up to give me a job and that's the truth Ruth! (Do the Right Thing, Spike Lee)

Caseworkers know that we are TERMINALLY UNDERPAID, TERMINALLY OVERWORKED, AND HORRENDOUSLY OVERSTAFFED, usually with 100 to 150 cases per caseworker. But you do this job because of a) the love of Social Work and it's core values, b) the desire to HONESTLY help others and c) because hell we NEED a job just like the next fellow.

I can tell you that when 1 position opens up, 300 applicants apply at once. This information came directly from my cousin who works for CPS!

SO DON'T SIT UP HERE AND TELL ME THAT THOSE "MAGICAL CASEWORKER" JOBS ARE JUST OUT THERE FOR ME TO GET BECAUSE THAT'S LYING TO YOUR OWN SELF AND TRYING TO PASS OFF YOUR "MAGICAL THINKING" TO ME!

Don't try to sit up here a con me because you can't, I know the game sweetie and in your delusional state, you are bound to hurt yourself if you decide to continue.

Originally Posted by als463

There are tons of jobs in human services fields (and I don't mean McDonald's).

So to correct you, you are WRONG and in my book (as you have stated), you fail!

Originally Posted by als463

Between friends who have college degrees and those who never attended college, all are employed. Do they make the best money? No. Do they love their jobs? Not really. The truth is, they are doing what they need to do in order to pay their bills.

So just what in the holy hell do you think I am trying to do?

[libramunoz]

Originally Posted by als463

As far as caseworkers go, anyone can do that-if they choose. You must be willing to take the horrible pay, but regardless of what your major is, you can do it. A lot of children, elderly, etc. need people who are educated and willing to advocate for them. There are tons of jobs in human services fields (and I don't mean McDonald's).

Let me get serious with you on this point, you're sadly, sadly, sadly wrong!

Not many people can handle being called out of their name along with their name on a daily basis.
Not everyone can handle 10 different supervisors, each wanting something different from you, all at once.
Not everyone can handle being hit by a client and NOT being able to hit them back!
Not everyone can handle being spit upon by a client and NOT being able to slap the living shit outta them.
Not everyone can handle the amount of paperwork it takes to be a caseworker.
Not everyone can handle dealing with addicts.
Not everyone can handle dealing with those that have mental health, and I mean SERIOUS, mental health issues.
Not everyone can handle dealing with the aged, diseased, or depraved.
Not everyone can handle dealing with sex offenders, rapists, abusers (m and f), or deal with victims of abuse.
Not everyone can handle the late hours, pay, or even the phone within social agencies.
Not everyone can handle a tedious and insane and abundent amount of paperwork that it takes on a daily basis.
Not everyone can deal with doing monthly reports, weekly reports, or even understand why they have to do the same report 15 different ways for 3 different people.

Just like the military, teaching, or health professions aren't for everyone, neither is the human services field!

I am so sorry if you think that it is possible, but it just ain't so.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by als463

Well, when Knight_Shadow asked what I had done with myself, I told him. I was showing that you can find a job if you really-really try. To sit there and say that "success at finding a job when you graduated from college in 2007 doesn't necessarily mean much," seems to go against this whole thread, doesn't it? You have people on here complaining that they attempted to find jobs as recent college graduates, but couldn't fnd a job. Then, there were people saying that they were "over-qualified" for jobs because of their college degrees, yet you think that finding a job right away is not a success?

Considering many people are talking about having trouble finding a job, I think it is very successful. To get technical, I graduated college in 2004 with my A.A., so I find it very successful to have worked up until I decided to go back to school. I put out tons of applications, so I realize the hard time people may have finding a job, but if you aren't willing to put out (at least 20 resumes a week) all over the place when you have been unemployed for more than a year, then you aren't trying that hard, in my eyes.

I think you're missing the point.

Many people are putting out 20 resumes A DAY. You can't force someone to give you a callback, though. It's not that people aren't trying -- employers aren't giving them a chance.