Sprite Step-Off Update: ZTA and AKA to share 1st place

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

You see whites in power, but that's not the core issue. I see your points, but I really really think you're fighting the wrong battle(s). Because once the events unfolding comes to a climax, you're going to see a lot of whites in the same boat as we are. That is why you don't see me always siding with "us" on racially charged issues. Because I know that ultimately, it will all be a very moot point.

I'm not fighting any battle. We're typing.

Are you talking about the "end of days" or are you talking about people foregoing white privilege and group dynamics to align on class lines rather than race lines? The former will happen before the latter.

[I.A.S.K.]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I'm not fighting any battle. We're typing.

Are you talking about the "end of days" or are you talking about people foregoing white privilege and group dynamics to align on class lines rather than race lines? The former will happen before the latter.

The former will happen TWICE before the latter.

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

At the end of the day, it won't be a "black vs. white" matter. You see whites in power, but that's not the core issue. I see your points, but I really really think you're fighting the wrong battle(s). Because once the events unfolding comes to a climax, you're going to see a lot of whites in the same boat as we are. That is why you don't see me always siding with "us" on racially charged issues. Because I know that ultimately, it will all be a very moot point.

Whites in power isnt the core issue. White supremecy is the issue. Whites will never be in the same boat as we are. It's well known that if white folx get a cough black folx get Swine Flu and Pnemonia. I highly doubt that the fact that you think blacks and whites will one day be equal is the reason you sometimes side against blacks on racially charged issues. Because realistically if we're all going to be equals some day what harm does it do to side with your own?

I swear I've been hearing this same discussion of Assimilation vs. The Black Radical Tradition all over the net this week. And it has all been because of one step show. #irony

I didn't quote LadyGreek, but I fervently agree with her about desegregation. Intergration was not the best solution and it still isnt.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by I.A.S.K.

The former will happen TWICE before the latter.


Whites in power isnt the core issue. White supremecy is the issue. Whites will never be in the same boat as we are. It's well known that if white folx get a cough black folx get Swine Flu and Pnemonia. I highly doubt that the fact that you think blacks and whites will one day be equal is the reason you sometimes side against blacks on racially charged issues. Because realistically if we're all going to be equals some day what harm does it do to side with your own?

I swear I've been hearing this same discussion of Assimilation vs. The Black Radical Tradition all over the net this week. And it has all been because of one step show. #irony

I didn't quote LadyGreek, but I fervently agree with her about desegregation. Intergration was not the best solution and it still isnt.

That's because a hot/controversial topic will bring up a whole lot of feelings and people who don't usually discuss these issues will take the opportunity to speak out. That's why I keep saying that the issues people have with the Sprite stepshow is not about the stepshow really at all.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

That's because a hot/controversial topic will bring up a whole lot of feelings and people who don't usually discuss these issues will take the opportunity to speak out. That's why I keep saying that the issues people have with the Sprite stepshow is not about the stepshow really at all.

For me, I think the core issue is that we too often assume the role of being a victim (always coming up with excuses, placing blame, and being in denial), instead of being a victor (taking ownership for our actions, being held accountable to such actions, and being made responsible for such actions). The poor sportsmanship expressed resulting from the Step Off (and even this discussion to some degree) makes this assertion very clear.

Personally, I am tired of being associated with those always wanting to be a victim. I'm seeking to be a victor, and I will associate with those who are victors, even if that means going against the grain. I wonder if that is why the Millenial generation has the so-called "we are the world" mentality. I wonder if Rhoyal had inquired to the students for exactly why they held the belief system that they do/did. We've come quite a ways from where we were 50-60 years ago, and people still aren't grateful for what progress has been made. That bothers me.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

For me, I think the core issue is that we too often assume the role of being a victim (always coming up with excuses, placing blame, and being in denial), instead of being a victor (taking ownership for our actions, being held accountable to such actions, and being made responsible for such actions). The poor sportsmanship expressed resulting from the Step Off (and even this discussion to some degree) makes this assertion very clear.

Personally, I am tired of being associated with those always wanting to be a victim. I'm seeking to be a victor, and I will associate with those who are victors, even if that means going against the grain. I wonder if that is why the Millenial generation has the so-called "we are the world" mentality. I wonder if Rhoyal had inquired to the students for exactly why they held the belief system that they do/did. We've come quite a ways from where we were 50-60 years ago, and people still aren't grateful for what progress has been made. That bothers me.

Grateful? We should not have had to go through it in the first place.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

Grateful? We should not have had to go through it in the first place.

Granted, but that's a moot point.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

For me, I think the core issue is that we too often assume the role of being a victim (always coming up with excuses, placing blame, and being in denial), instead of being a victor (taking ownership for our actions, being held accountable to such actions, and being made responsible for such actions). The poor sportsmanship expressed resulting from the Step Off (and even this discussion to some degree) makes this assertion very clear.

Personally, I am tired of being associated with those always wanting to be a victim. I'm seeking to be a victor, and I will associate with those who are victors, even if that means going against the grain. I wonder if that is why the Millenial generation has the so-called "we are the world" mentality. I wonder if Rhoyal had inquired to the students for exactly why they held the belief system that they do/did. We've come quite a ways from where we were 50-60 years ago, and people still aren't grateful for what progress has been made. That bothers me.

I'm pretty sure your comments are appropriate for some argument related to the topic of Black culture today but IMHO your comments here just do not fit this discussion. I try to look at things from all sides whether I agree with things or not but I think you are so far on one side and so unwilling to see other sides, that you can't recognize when valid and legitimate points are made on other sides, points that have nothing to do with anyone playing the victim.

While I'm sure that some of the Sprite step off feelings (as displayed on other sites) stem from an "inherited" feeling of victimization, I certainly wouldn't conclude that those involved in this discussion here on gc (as well as many on other sites) are on some "victim" stuff because I'm certainly not. I'm very clear and very aware of this topic of victimization in the black community and the kind of person I am just doesn't allow me to play the victim in any way as I strive for excellence in everything that I do. My entire educational career (from grade school on) has been rooted in my experience at both predominately white and black learning institutions. Playing the victim is certainly not the way I excelled in both situations.

As for the kids that I work with from the inner city, they feel the way they do because they don't know anything about their heritage and don't know how beautiful they are. It's not their fault and I'm not blaming them. They are not being taught at home to love themselves and that's obvious by the things they say and do and the little value they place on their education.

Again, while I understand the whole "victim" argument, it is not appropriate in this discussion. We can certainly be concerned about the issues we're raising, disagree with you, and not be playing the victim.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

I'm pretty sure your comments are appropriate for some argument related to the topic of Black culture today but IMHO your comments here just do not fit this discussion. I try to look at things from all sides whether I agree with things or not but I think you are so far on one side and so unwilling to see other sides, that you can't recognize when valid and legitimate points are made on other sides, points that have nothing to do with anyone playing the victim.

Again, while I understand the whole "victim" argument, it is not appropriate in this discussion. We can certainly be concerned about the issues we're raising, disagree with you, and not be playing the victim.

Then why are we discussing why a black GLO lost a stepshow (the basis for your original question)? If what you say is true, what difference does it make? Why can't we be a good sport about it and keep it moving?

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

Then why are we discussing why a black GLO lost a stepshow (the basis for your original question)? If what you say is true, what difference does it make? Why can't we be a good sport about it and keep it moving?

You know, a person can get exhausted just talking to you. I am tired and do not wish to go back to the beginning. If you care to, go back and read the posts and find the one where we moved on from the stepshow to a larger issue/question that I posed about the Black community. You are still on the stepshow and I am no longer thinking about the stepshow. At this point you may also be tired so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Log off and come back again tomorrow when you can remember the main point of this discussion.