All White People Are RACIST!

[starang21]

LOL.

yea, assuming one person speaks for the entire race is pretty stupid.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by starang21

LOL.

yea, assuming one person speaks for the entire race is pretty stupid.

Well I mean it seems like people certainly think that about Black people. Apparently Al Sharpton speaks for all of US. Soooo now White people are just getting a taste of how it feels to have people think one person speaks for the whole race. It really is nothing new. But I think most people know that John Mayer is speaking for John Mayer.

[Preston327]

For awhile I honestly thought HuffPost was a left-leaning version of The Onion. Apparently not.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

Well I mean it seems like people certainly think that about Black people. Apparently Al Sharpton speaks for all of US. Soooo now White people are just getting a taste of how it feels to have people think one person speaks for the whole race. It really is nothing new. But I think most people know that John Mayer is speaking for John Mayer.

and both are just as ignorant and misinformed. being stupid twice doesn't make you smart. and if you read the comments on that blog, i'm not that many people think john mayer is speaking just for john mayer. but then again, all those blog posters may just be speaking for themselves.

:shock:

[DrPhil]

All of you are too smart to get stuck on who speaks for whom. We already know that no race has a spokesperson.

The real point is in what Mayer was HORRIBLY attempting to convey, which is what many social scientists (99% are white) have been saying based on an analysis of the structure of race and power (which is what racism is--it isn't the same thing as prejudice and it doesn't require being prejudiced or bigoted--I don't give a darn whether you disagree with this so spare me). These social scientists have theorized that whites in societies where whites are the power majority are racist through social learning and group positioning. In societies where other groups are the power majority (which doesn't automatically happen just because a group is the population majority), these groups can ALSO be racist unintentionally, inadvertently, covertly, overtly, without biased intent, etc.

Tim Wise is a mainstream white person who has made such claims for years. He and other less mainstream people have used examples of racism (and sexism) such as how they often assume that they are the lead speaker or the leader of a group of intellects just because they are the white male. They sometimes have to catch themselves in action to challenge themselves to do better. That's classic status group hierarchy right there. It is still an example of racism despite the fact that there isn't the overtly discriminatory or bigoted outcome that the media (and uninformed people, in general) has told us to expect from "racism."

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

All of you are too smart to get stuck on who speaks for whom. We already know that no race has a spokesperson.

The real point is in what Mayer was HORRIBLY attempting to convey, which is what many social scientists (99% are white) have been saying based on an analysis of the structure of race and power (which is what racism is--it isn't the same thing as prejudice and it doesn't require being prejudiced or bigoted--I don't give a darn whether you disagree with this so spare me). These social scientists have theorized that whites in societies where whites are the power majority are racist through social learning and group positioning. In societies where other groups are the power majority (which doesn't automatically happen just because a group is the population majority), these groups can ALSO be racist unintentionally, inadvertently, covertly, overtly, without biased intent, etc.

Tim Wise is a mainstream white person who has made such claims for years. He and other less mainstream people have used examples of racism (and sexism) such as how they often assume that they are the lead speaker or the leader of a group of intellects just because they are the white male. They sometimes have to catch themselves in action to challenge themselves to do better. That's classic status group hierarchy right there. It is still an example of racism despite the fact that there isn't the overtly discriminatory or bigoted outcome that the media (and uninformed people, in general) has told us to expect from "racism."

I pretty much skipped everything else (including clicking the link) to read what you would say about it, so I could just agree and move on:

I agree.

Bye.

[Phrozen1ne]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

All of you are too smart to get stuck on who speaks for whom. We already know that no race has a spokesperson.

The real point is in what Mayer was HORRIBLY attempting to convey, which is what many social scientists (99% are white) have been saying based on an analysis of the structure of race and power (which is what racism is--it isn't the same thing as prejudice and it doesn't require being prejudiced or bigoted--I don't give a darn whether you disagree with this so spare me). These social scientists have theorized that whites in societies where whites are the power majority are racist through social learning and group positioning. In societies where other groups are the power majority (which doesn't automatically happen just because a group is the population majority), these groups can ALSO be racist unintentionally, inadvertently, covertly, overtly, without biased intent, etc.

Tim Wise is a mainstream white person who has made such claims for years. He and other less mainstream people have used examples of racism (and sexism) such as how they often assume that they are the lead speaker or the leader of a group of intellects just because they are the white male. They sometimes have to catch themselves in action to challenge themselves to do better. That's classic status group hierarchy right there. It is still an example of racism despite the fact that there isn't the overtly discriminatory or bigoted outcome that the media (and uninformed people, in general) has told us to expect from "racism."

I agree with this as well. I strongly agree with what is in bold face.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

All of you are too smart to get stuck on who speaks for whom. We already know that no race has a spokesperson.

The real point is in what Mayer was HORRIBLY attempting to convey, which is what many social scientists (99% are white) have been saying based on an analysis of the structure of race and power (which is what racism is--it isn't the same thing as prejudice and it doesn't require being prejudiced or bigoted--I don't give a darn whether you disagree with this so spare me). These social scientists have theorized that whites in societies where whites are the power majority are racist through social learning and group positioning. In societies where other groups are the power majority (which doesn't automatically happen just because a group is the population majority), these groups can ALSO be racist unintentionally, inadvertently, covertly, overtly, without biased intent, etc.

Tim Wise is a mainstream white person who has made such claims for years. He and other less mainstream people have used examples of racism (and sexism) such as how they often assume that they are the lead speaker or the leader of a group of intellects just because they are the white male. They sometimes have to catch themselves in action to challenge themselves to do better. That's classic status group hierarchy right there. It is still an example of racism despite the fact that there isn't the overtly discriminatory or bigoted outcome that the media (and uninformed people, in general) has told us to expect from "racism."

Beautiful.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

These social scientists have theorized that whites in societies where whites are the power majority are racist through social learning and group positioning. In societies where other groups are the power majority (which doesn't automatically happen just because a group is the population majority), these groups can ALSO be racist unintentionally, inadvertently, covertly, overtly, without biased intent, etc.

Are these scientists saying that while white dominated societies ARE ALWAYS racist by nature, societies dominated by non-whites CAN ALSO ( as in maybe, sometimes, once in a blue moon) be racist? I just find it hard to believe it's a world wide trait of all Anglo societies to be racist. I'm not sure if I completely agree with that hypothesis based on what I've seen in my travels( don't feel like getting into it right now). Granted my experience in the matter is limited to people from Latin America and the middle east, but it's been my observation that people see there own race, in general, more favorably than other races.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Are these scientists saying that....

It isn't my job to school you. Read more and then make an informed decision, agree or disagree.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

It isn't my job to school you.

Well thats news to me. You seem to enjoy bestowing your arrogant, high and mighty attitude on others. I wouldn't be asking anyway had you provided a link to these "studies" you speak so highly of. Unlike you, I don't feel the need to prove everyone else wrong.

[DrPhil]

Always turn your brain on before typing to me.

[lovespink88]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Always turn your brain on before typing to me.

You're expecting an intelligent/non-trollish response from MM?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by lovespink88

You're expecting an intelligent/non-trollish response from MM?

Yes because he doesn't bother me and he has good discussions when he isn't trying to rile people up.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

Well I mean it seems like people certainly think that about Black people. Apparently Al Sharpton speaks for all of US. Soooo now White people are just getting a taste of how it feels to have people think one person speaks for the whole race. It really is nothing new. But I think most people know that John Mayer is speaking for John Mayer.

I wouldn't compare John Mayer with Sharpton, who is a civil rights advocate who routinely brings up issues that affect and concern the Black community to the publics attention. Mayer is just a douche who is out of touch with reality.