HELP! I want to start this sorority, but does it already exist?

[Still BLUTANG]

It sounds like FLOC is similar to what many bands have as "families" or when people "pledge their section"...

many people go on to join Tau Beta Sigma while others feel as though their section / family is more than enough involvement.

Tau Beta Sigma is a co-ed organization. This can get complicated at schools with both a chapter of TBS and KKPsi - but, we're still family.

The thing to remember though, as with other orgs and chapters, membership is all about "fit."

[XAntoftheSkyX]

Originally Posted by Still BLUTANG

It sounds like FLOC is similar to what many bands have as "families" or when people "pledge their section"...

many people go on to join Tau Beta Sigma while others feel as though their section / family is more than enough involvement.

Tau Beta Sigma is a co-ed organization. This can get complicated at schools with both a chapter of TBS and KKPsi - but, we're still family.

The thing to remember though, as with other orgs and chapters, membership is all about "fit."

This, the guard at my school, along with the drumline and other horn sections had fake GLOs. The euphoniums had Epsilon Upsilon Phi, because sounded out it made Euph.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Still BLUTANG

Tau Beta Sigma is a co-ed organization. This can get complicated at schools with both a chapter of TBS and KKPsi - but, we're still family.

This is the first time I've heard about it being co-ed. Probably because many men don't join TBS. LOL.

Okay, TBS co-ed sorority and KKPsi co-ed fraternity.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by UofISigKap

I saw EIU and got all excited because I remember them going co-ed when I was there. (Yes, I transferred to Illinois later which doesn't have either band organization; it's in another thread. Anyway...) Prior to 1996, KKPsi was male only, and TBS was strictly female at EIU. That fall, a male TBS member transferred to EIU from another school. Both KKPsi and TBS decided to become co-ed, and he could then stay an active member of TBS. They are both still co-ed, but from my understanding, only TBS takes in guard members now. The KKPsi chapter no longer does, unless they play in a winter/spring ensemble, I think??

ETA: The allowing guard members is specific to the chapters at EIU not a blanket statement.

Thanks for this info!!!

[Still BLUTANG]

people need to know what they're getting into. LOL.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by harreled

Honestly, in the band, we are see as that 'cute little guard club' and we aren't taken very seriously because we don't have letters. If FLOC were to become a sorority, we would be recognized as a more legitimate organization, we would be able to do more and be able work on par with the other band service fraternities/sororities.

If the colorguard is getting screwed out of money, uniforms, what have you, then the COLORGUARD (the active members in it) needs to fight for what they feel they deserve - NOT a group whose members contain women who may no longer be colorguard members.

If you have a winter guard that competes apart from the band, then ask for student funding as winter guard, a separate performing group (just like the wind ensemble/brass ensemble etc would).

But don't try and mesh a bunch of stuff into a sorority just for the sake of a sorority.

[XAntoftheSkyX]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

This is the first time I've heard about it being co-ed. Probably because many men don't join TBS. LOL.

Okay, TBS co-ed sorority and KKPsi co-ed fraternity.

Generally if a school has both orgs, they have men pledge KKY and women pledge TBS. If a school has one or the other, it acts as a coed. There isn't much preventing men from joining TBS or women joining KKY because of thise situations, even if a school has both orgs.

[chickenoodle]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

This is the first time I've heard about it being co-ed. Probably because many men don't join TBS. LOL.

Okay, TBS co-ed sorority and KKPsi co-ed fraternity.

Originally Posted by XAntoftheSkyX

Generally if a school has both orgs, they have men pledge KKY and women pledge TBS. If a school has one or the other, it acts as a coed. There isn't much preventing men from joining TBS or women joining KKY because of thise situations, even if a school has both orgs.

Indulge me please. If the women join the fraternity, they are also called brothers. And if the men join the co-ed sorority are they also brothers, while the women are sisters? I can't imagine most guys would be ok with being referred to as a sister...

[XAntoftheSkyX]

Originally Posted by chickenoodle

Indulge me please. If the women join the fraternity, they are also called brothers. And if the men join the co-ed sorority are they also brothers, while the women are sisters? I can't imagine most guys would be ok with being referred to as a sister...

Someone who identifies as female will be called a brother in KKY and the same for TBS. KKY is still a fraternity and TBS is still a sorority.

[Still BLUTANG]

Originally Posted by XAntoftheSkyX

Generally if a school has both orgs, they have men pledge KKY and women pledge TBS. If a school has one or the other, it acts as a coed. There isn't much preventing men from joining TBS or women joining KKY because of thise situations, even if a school has both orgs.

i've learned in my 13 years as a member, and serving in various local, district, and national capacities that this, while it *would* make sense, is not necessarily what happens.

[XAntoftheSkyX]

Originally Posted by Still BLUTANG

i've learned in my 13 years as a member, and serving in various local, district, and national capacities that this, while it *would* make sense, is not necessarily what happens.

True, I was just speaking from my experiences and talking with brothers and sisters of said orgs.

[ree-Xi]

Originally Posted by chickenoodle

Indulge me please. If the women join the fraternity, they are also called brothers. And if the men join the co-ed sorority are they also brothers, while the women are sisters? I can't imagine most guys would be ok with being referred to as a sister...

Slight hijack, but this sounds similar to the situation that Gamma Sigma Sigma National Service Sorority and Alpha Phi Omega National Service Fraternity has, as they both are now co-ed. I only know of one male member of GSS, and he is referred to as a "male member", but in my personal experience, female members of APO (which is much much more common) are referred to as "brothers".

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by harreled

I know there is already a Drumline fraternity (Phi Buda Ruda) and several Band service fraternities (KKPsi, TBS, PMA) . . . .

Just for the record, Phi Mu Alpha is not a band service fraternity; it's a social fraternity. KKPsi and TBS are the only band service fraternities with which I'm familiar.

[Gusteau]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Just for the record, Phi Mu Alpha is not a band service fraternity; it's a social fraternity. KKPsi and TBS are the only band service fraternities with which I'm familiar.

Every time I see someone call Phi Mu Alpha anything other than a social fraternity, I just shake my head an wonder when you're going to pop up and educate them!

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Gusteau

Every time I see someone call Phi Mu Alpha anything other than a social fraternity, I just shake my head an wonder when you're going to pop up and educate them!

I know. I'm a broken record on the subject.