McGuire comes clean

[groovypq]

Originally Posted by bignasty

He is still not a Hall of Famer in my book. He is Dave Kingman on steroids.

Now it is time for Schilling to come clean about steroids. I also want Charles Barkley and Micheal Jordan to admit they bet on basketball. Barkley denies betting on basketball even though he was suspended by the league for betting on a 76ers game.

What makes you think Schilling juiced?

[AOII Angel]

McGuire says, "Steroids is bad." Yes, Mark, They IS.

[kddani]

And in other news... water is wet.

[DaemonSeid]

If McGuire pulled his pants up, stopped having a lot of babies with welfare women and said no to drugs, he would be in the Hall of Fame

[starang21]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

McGuire says, "Steroids is bad." Yes, Mark, They IS.

LMAO

[moe.ron]

I wonder if this guy will come clean:

[ASUADPi]

Boy, this was such a shocker.

not

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by moe.ron

I wonder if this guy will come clean:

Bwahahahhah....who is this guy kidding? It's like Barry Bonds head growing to the size of a blimp!

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by bignasty

The Phillies aquired Schilling around the time they got Dykstra. Schilling was just an average pitcher before he got to Philly. When Dykstra started passing out his magic vitamins is when Schilling started getting good.

You realize Schilling was 24/25 when he came to the Phillies, right? It's not unheard of for a pitcher to break out in their early to mid 20's. Not everyone is Tim Lincecum or Felix Hernandez.

As for the McGwire news - he shouldn't have taken steroids, but I'm more bothered by the way the public and press are foaming at the mouth about it. All the writers who wanted him to come clean are now picking at the way in which he "came clean."

(And I feel the same way about Bonds, Clemens, Pettite, and all the others.)

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

You realize Schilling was 24/25 when he came to the Phillies, right? It's not unheard of for a pitcher to break out in their early to mid 20's. Not everyone is Tim Lincecum or Felix Hernandez.

As for the McGwire news - he shouldn't have taken steroids, but I'm more bothered by the way the public and press are foaming at the mouth about it. All the writers who wanted him to come clean are now picking at the way in which he "came clean."

(And I feel the same way about Bonds, Clemens, Pettite, and all the others.)

I personally respect him more for coming clean, though I have to snicker at his assertion that the steroids had nothing to do with his home runs. Whatever! Yes, steroids alone won't make you hit homeruns, but with timing and hand eye coordination, the extra strength from the steroids sure won't hurt!

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

You realize Schilling was 24/25 when he came to the Phillies, right? It's not unheard of for a pitcher to break out in their early to mid 20's. Not everyone is Tim Lincecum or Felix Hernandez.

As for the McGwire news - he shouldn't have taken steroids, but I'm more bothered by the way the public and press are foaming at the mouth about it. All the writers who wanted him to come clean are now picking at the way in which he "came clean."

(And I feel the same way about Bonds, Clemens, Pettite, and all the others.)

Well

1. He declined to answer when asked about his usage by a Congressional Committee about it after Cansenco outed him


2. I find the timing of this to be 'odd' after a) he just got a job as hitting coach by the Cards and b) he was just snubbed for the 4th (??) time to the Hall of Fame

I would think this admission would now probably make him ineligible or at the very least unlikely to be voted in, though some disagree, saying his admission may HELP him

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Well

1. He declined to answer when asked about his usage by a Congressional Committee about it after Cansenco outed him


2. I find the timing of this to be 'odd' after a) he just got a job as hitting coach by the Cards and b) he was just snubbed for the 4th (??) time to the Hall of Fame

I would think this admission would now probably make him ineligible or at the very least unlikely to be voted in, though some disagree, saying his admission may HELP him

First - his explanation is that he declined to answer because he had no guarantee of immunity. It's self-serving, sure, but I buy that. I could see where an attorney would advise him NOT to talk about his past steroid use if there was no guarantee he would be immune from prosecution. Of course, a good attorney would have also had an eye for the PR aspect of it all, but that is a whole other discussion.

As to ineligibility for the Hall of Fame - there's no rule against inducting drug users, cheaters, etc, except for very specific circumstances (such as people like Joe Jackson and Pete Rose who were banned from the game). There are Hall of Famers who committed violent crimes (Ty Cobb), who blatantly cheated (Gaylord Perry), and who probably received performance benefits from greenies and other similar chemicals (a large number of players from the 40s, 50s, 60s and 70s). They couldn't reasonably draw the line at steroid use.

The admission will definitely get him more votes. He was in the 20% range, though, so he'll have to get a lot of help if he's going to get inducted into the HOF.

Originally Posted by bignasty

Dykstra probably said the same thing.

Why did Congress subpoena Schilling along with Bonds, Clemens, Conseco, Sosa, McGuire, Palmiero, and Giambi? Do these players have anything in common? Didn't the investigators have access to the list of players that failed the drug tests?

If I remember correctly, Schilling was pretty outspoken around that time about naming names and "coming clean" about steroids. It's possible that he was called to Congress in the hope that he would name names on the record.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I personally respect him more for coming clean, though I have to snicker at his assertion that the steroids had nothing to do with his home runs. Whatever! Yes, steroids alone won't make you hit homeruns, but with timing and hand eye coordination, the extra strength from the steroids sure won't hurt!

I didn't want to make my last post too long, so I'll double-post...

This is another part of the problem for me. How much of a difference do steroids really make? Look at some of the guys on the list, like Adam Hiatt and Todd Pratt. People who think that steroids magically make you an All Star are, to put it mildly, crazy.

Do they make a 5% difference? 10%? More? Less? We really don't know, although I think there are studies out there that have taken stabs at answers.

[DaemonSeid]

Just me, KSig, but I think considering the smear that steroids has given this era of baseball, I just think this will lessen his chances of getting in anytime soon.

It's like (and yes Gaylord Perry was a good example but work with me) saying,

"Yeah...ok I put my health at risk and did (performance enhancing) drugs...but BY GOLLY...look at all the home runs I hit! Sammy and I made baseball popular again! I cheated on and off and I admit it but look where it got me!"

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Just me, KSig, but I think considering the smear that steroids has given this era of baseball, I just think this will lessen his chances of getting in anytime soon.

It's like (and yes Gaylord Perry was a good example but work with me) saying,

"Yeah...ok I put my health at risk and did (performance enhancing) drugs...but BY GOLLY...look at all the home runs I hit! Sammy and I made baseball popular again! I cheated on and off and I admit it but look where it got me!"

Oh, I agree with you that the issue with performance enhancers is keeping him out of the HOF.

I thought you meant "eligible" as in there was some rule keeping him out of the HOF based on the use of performance enhancers.