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Old 12-21-2009, 11:49 PM
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I wish they could vote AFTER they've seen the season. Remember, they don't see all those interviews with the camera where Russell talked about the dumb women, etc. There are often things they don't even know went on at the time that they're voting. I've wondered how many would change their vote after watching the whole season.
Given how poorly Russell kept some of his other secrets, I find it a little hard to believe that he hid this particular sentiment as well as he thinks he did.

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Jeff seemed so shocked the castaways didn't respect Russell's game while the audience loved him. I was surprised no one mentioned that there's a difference between watching it on TV and having it happen to you.
Right. We saw 2 or 3 days contracted into 44 minutes or less. They lived with him.

Of course, the audience voted Shambo as runner-up, so maybe a lot of people in the audience don't have a clue.

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I also was surprised by Russel's non-stop crying at the finale. It obviously meant ALOT to him to be the "Sole Survivor". I hated him at the beginning, I thought he was a jerk throughout, but I do believe he earned the million dollars. BUT, I knew that the people in Ponderosa were not the type to vote based on strategy, they were petty to the other bootees, they sure as heck weren't going to reward game play! They voted for the one they "liked" the most. UGH!
I disagree about Russell. I don't think he earned the million at all. He excelled at parts of the game but completely failed at others.

He was great at getting the person he wanted out voted out. But he never seemed to understand, especially after the merge, that he needed people on the jury to vote for him. As far as I could tell, he made no real effort to try and shore up jury support, nor did he really think strategically (or at least strategically well) about who to take with him in front of the jury. He summed up his plan by saying he knew that if he got to the final 3 he'd won. If he'd taken Shambo and Jaison, maybe, but not with Natalie. He'd alienated almost everyone on the jury.

Yeah, the ex-Galu were sore and petty. (And yes, they screwed themselves.) But that was obvious at camp, and Russell did nothing to take that into consideration. He was too convinced that everyone would be in awe of him.

Meanwhile, he made stupid mistakes. He told lies about his background, but then fessed up to one or two people. The result was that everyone on the jury knew he'd lied about how much money he had (and maybe about the Katrine story as well). Major mistake. Meanwhile, I don't remember any mistakes from Natalie.

Russell played part of the game very well, but he completely ignored other parts of the game.

Meanwhile, Erik really needs to grow up.

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I totally agreed with Eric's (and Jeff's) take: Natalie's strategy was just as valid as Russell's. . . . Cliff's Notes version: Natalie deserved to win because whatever she did in the game, it got her to the same place as Russell and won her more votes.
This!
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Old 12-22-2009, 04:21 AM
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I hated him at the beginning, I thought he was a jerk throughout, but I do believe he earned the million dollars...

And, it REALLY pissed me off to hear Eric talk about how "bad" Russel was and how "good" Natalie was. She not only LET him be the bad guy, she encouraged the behavior, and she totally benefitted from it!!
Think about it... Russell's strategy was to be open about being a snake in the grass. Natalie was quiet about it, played Russell (while he tried to play EVERYONE else the entire game), and somehow out-smarted the one guy who thought he had it all figured out. I say... good for her!

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My take on Survivor has always been that whomever wins deserves it
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I disagree about Russell. I don't think he earned the million at all. He excelled at parts of the game but completely failed at others.
Exactly. While he voted out basically whoever he wanted, he also:
- Told people about his yearly earnings
- Made deals with EVERYONE at the same time
- Revealed his hidden immunity idols to too many people
- Acted extremely cocky, especially at tribal council
- etc.

And let's be honest... If Russell never found those immunity idols, he would have never made it as far as he did. Are the immunity idols part of the game, and a way to get around being voted out? Yes. And I applaud him for finding them without any clues. But if he didn't find them, he would have been gone a long time ago. People were gunning for him from the beginning. He just happened to be lucky enough to find those idols the way that he did.

In conclusion: Yay for Natalie!
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