Capitalist vs. Socialistic

[ilpwineg]

There's only one org out of the three that has that extreme of a problem, but membership retainment is a problem across the board.

We take what we are looking for in a sister very seriously, how can you tell in 4 days, or 8 that a girl is actually misleading you about some aspects of herself, there's no telling how someone is going to get along with all the other pledges until the process actually begins, hearing leadership skills on paper is nice, but i like to see what the girls bring to the table in their actions during their process, I feel like having the option to vote out girls gives us a sense of security against girls that we later find out weren't being true to us in the beginning and are going to be a problem or detrimental before they cross over. I also think it's beneficial in the case of girls that are more shy when they come to rush, it gives them the chance to show us who they really are and what they are going to bring to the sorority. You can't predict the future, and you can never tell how a girl will be in 3 days or 3 weeks, but after a while once you have been able to at least have the opportunity to establish a relationship with someone you can truly make a decision on whether they are right for your sorority or not. It shouldn't all be based on what they did in high-school, and how nice a person they are at rush, it should be about the person they are now, and the person you can see them becoming in the future, things you really don't get to see until you have spent real time with girls in more intimate settings.

I guess everyone does what works for them. In the 3 years I've been active we haven't had a new member disaffiliate or go inactive in their first year active except under extreme circumstances(death in family, financial circumstances change, etc.)

[Zillini]

Originally Posted by ilpwineg

I guess everyone does what works for them. In the 3 years I've been active we haven't had a new member disaffiliate or go inactive in their first year active except under extreme circumstances(death in family, financial circumstances change, etc.)

Neither have we and that's out of 70-80 new members per year on a highly competitive NPC formal recruitment campus.

While I'm not criticizing your methods, I do wish to explain my GLO's (and I imagine most NPC group's) perspective on new members. The process is called "New Member Education" for a reason. We are talking about 18-19 year olds. Their values, morals, ethics, beliefs, etc are not yet set in stone. One of our primary goals is to educate them, guide them, and help them become the women we believe they are capable of, living up to the high ideals of our organization.

Kicking someone out after only a few days for making a mistake isn't sisterhood. Would someone's (real life) family kick her out when she screwed up or didn't get along with her (real life) sisters? I would hope the parents would show her the error of her ways, perhaps discipline her, and help her become a better person who will make better choices next time.

I'm not saying membership cancellation due to someone's behavioral problems doesn't happen. But that is only after all efforts to educate and counsel that member on appropriate standards of behavior have failed.

[Stupid Rushee]

Originally Posted by ilpwineg

There's only one org out of the three that has that extreme of a problem, but membership retainment is a problem across the board.

Might I point out that you are not privy to what is going on in these groups. How do you know that they are not retaining their members? Do you see their member roles? If they really are losing half of their chapters each semester "across the board", this is extremely odd for NPC organizations.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Stupid Rushee

Might I point out that you are not privy to what is going on in these groups. How do you know that they are not retaining their members? Do you see their member roles? If they really are losing half of their chapters each semester "across the board", this is extremely odd for NPC organizations.

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[33girl]

Originally Posted by ilpwineg

I guess everyone does what works for them. In the 3 years I've been active we haven't had a new member disaffiliate or go inactive in their first year active except under extreme circumstances(death in family, financial circumstances change, etc.)

Neither did we, and I was in an NPC.

I do agree with you that high school often doesn't say jack squat about what a person was like in college. Yeah, maybe Susie was the head of SADD and model legislature and heaven knows what else...maybe 1) she was also only doing it because her parents forced her and 2) the groups themselves were jokes. The thing at a lot of the huger chapters though, is that they often have members that went to this or that high school and can confirm that Teens Against Tobacco Use was a joke (against tobacco, not marijuana).

I'm being nebby, but you opened the door. What DO you vote pledges out for? Like I said before if you've had 2 weeks worth of rush (and I assume no silence or no-contact rules) and you STILL can't suss out the real person, what on earth are you looking at?? Especially since (it would seem) your potential membership pool is so much smaller than the NPCs.

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