gee, you all are pretty sharp on this stuff, and i am not sure i understand all of it. i need to go to the lca pedagogus book and try to understand how ours works. maybe someone can explain it a bit more for me. thanx. i thought the coat of arms which denoted the house of the group was the sheild and the hangings on the side were the capes or robes. the sheild as i was told have symbols that designate certain things that have meaning for the house of of the king or lord of the manor/estate. not sure what you are refering to as the crest other than the helment we have. yes, i have read and reread this thread. Still cloudy.
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