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11-19-2009, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito
The Germans were a great force, and if Hitler didn't try to fight a war on two fronts, he would have won. He also violated one of the very few laws of European combat. YOU DO NOT ATTEMPT TO INVADE RUSSIA. Especially during the winter. Not a single person who tried it succeed in winning.
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Umm....last time I checked, June was not winter - even by Soviet standards. . . .
I also hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the Soviets were not trying to pull the Germans deeper into the Soviet Union. They were seriously getting their butts kicked and were retreating - but made sure in their retreat the Germans did not have resources. The mistake was the Germans followed. The Soviets had been in the process of rebuilding their military (which was VERY slow due to the nature of the Communist Party). Not only did the Germans following deeper into Russia (that was Hitler's idea) allow the Soviets to regroup but allowed Britain to breath after constant bombing as Hitler pulled the Luftwaffe over to Eastern Europe - and later the Soviets keeping the Germans occupied created the two front war which was Germany's ultimate downfall.
ETA: Oh, and by the way, the purpose of Operation Barbarossa was NOT to conquer the Soviet Union but rather to get at the natural resources found in the eastern Soviet Union (namely the Ukraine).
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11-19-2009, 08:49 PM
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Umm....last time I checked, June was not winter - even by Soviet standards. . . .
I also hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the Soviets were not trying to pull the Germans deeper into the Soviet Union. They were seriously getting their butts kicked and were retreating - but made sure in their retreat the Germans did not have resources. The mistake was the Germans followed. The Soviets had been in the process of rebuilding their military (which was VERY slow due to the nature of the Communist Party). Not only did the Germans following deeper into Russia (that was Hitler's idea) allow the Soviets to regroup but allowed Britain to breath after constant bombing as Hitler pulled the Luftwaffe over to Eastern Europe - and later the Soviets keeping the Germans occupied created the two front war which was Germany's ultimate downfall.
ETA: Oh, and by the way, the purpose of Operation Barbarossa was NOT to conquer the Soviet Union but rather to get at the natural resources found in the eastern Soviet Union (namely the Ukraine).
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Operation Barbarossa lasted well into December 1941
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11-19-2009, 09:23 PM
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I watched it mainly because I wanted to see if I could see any videos with my grandfather in it (he was in many of the battles in the Pacific). I never knew him (he passed in '74 due to asbestos at his job) and so anything I read, or see brings me closer to him. He's in a few books about the pacific battles, but was hoping to see something. So far nothing, but I still find it VERY interesting especially hearing the words of these soldiers and seeing the pictures to go with it.
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11-19-2009, 09:43 PM
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I watched it mainly because I wanted to see if I could see any videos with my grandfather in it (he was in many of the battles in the Pacific). I never knew him (he passed in '74 due to asbestos at his job) and so anything I read, or see brings me closer to him. He's in a few books about the pacific battles, but was hoping to see something. So far nothing, but I still find it VERY interesting especially hearing the words of these soldiers and seeing the pictures to go with it.
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Im guessing you also saw Flags of our fathers...if you did...did you like it?
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11-19-2009, 10:00 PM
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Im guessing you also saw Flags of our fathers...if you did...did you like it?
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No i haven't, is it good? I try to stay away from actual movies about wars. The only movie I really like is Glory.
Next time I go to the video store, I'll rent that one and see it.
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11-20-2009, 11:30 PM
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Operation Barbarossa lasted well into December 1941
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Actually into the early months of 1942 - but that's not what was planned nor when it was started. . . It was supposed to be a typical blitzkrieg offensive (so short and decisive) but didn't turn out that way.
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11-20-2009, 11:58 PM
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Actually into the early months of 1942 - but that's not what was planned nor when it was started. . . It was supposed to be a typical blitzkrieg offensive (so short and decisive) but didn't turn out that way.
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Late 1941 early 1942
Either way...it was cold as hell, Germany was still trying to push into Russia, they failed.
That was the point he was making.
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