Obama destroys another neighborhood.

[LaneSig]

Originally Posted by kish2

That is the problem. Some of the city schools that used to be good schools, now have 15 full time cops because of all the crime. I can't think of one neighborhood that has been improved and I can name dozens of neighborhoods that have been destroyed by the same people that destroyed their last neighborhoods. To top it off we are spending BILLIONS on these projects.

Please give specific examples of schools with 15 full time police officers and name the dozens of neighborhoods. It would help with your argument to give specific facts. Otherwise, it's just your opinion.

[kish2]

Originally Posted by LaneSig

Please give specific examples of schools with 15 full time police officers and name the dozens of neighborhoods. It would help with your argument to give specific facts. Otherwise, it's just your opinion.

Sure, that is easy. Lincoln HS in Phila has 14 full time cops and that is not even a big school. Name me one public school in Phila that does not have full time cops. Be specific!

All the integrated neighborhoods in the city have been destroyed.

N. Philly
S. Phila,
SW Phila,
NE Phila

I could pretty much name a dozen neighborhoods in EACH of those areas. Why do you think most people moved out of the city? The city population went from 2.1 mil down to 1.5 while the suburbs went from almost nothing to 3.5 million. The city has 400 murders per year while the burbs with double the population has very few murders. N. Philly is pretty much a warzone. The cops call it the badlands. The state actually leads the nation in black homicides thanks to a couple sq miles in N. Philly and you wonder why we won't let you in the pool.



The ONLY neighborhoods that have not been destroyed are the ones with minimal integration.

[knight_shadow]

Case in point...

Originally Posted by kish2

Sure, that is easy. Lincoln HS in Phila has 14 full time cops and that is not even a big school. Name me one public school in Phila that does not have full time cops. Be specific!

All the integrated neighborhoods in the city have been destroyed.

N. Philly
S. Phila,
SW Phila,
NE Phila

I could pretty much name a dozen neighborhoods in EACH of those areas. Why do you think most people moved out of the city? The city population went from 2.1 mil down to 1.5 while the suburbs went from almost nothing to 3.5 million. The city has 400 murders per year while the burbs with double the population has very few murders. N. Philly is pretty much a warzone. The cops call it the badlands. The state actually leads the nation in black homicides thanks to a couple sq miles in N. Philly and you wonder why we won't let you in the pool.



The ONLY neighborhoods that have not been destroyed are the ones with minimal integration.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Case in point...

Try explaining WHY you think that post is BS.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Try explaining WHY you think that post is BS.

"The ONLY neighborhoods that have not been destroyed are the ones with minimal integration."

Obviously, his intent is to stir up drama, NOT to have intelligent discussion. Bringing up "black homicide" and "not letting us in the pool" have nothing to do with the negative effects of integration. I agree with you (and him, I guess) that a lot of low-income areas are plagued with crime and less-than-stellar school districts, and forcing integration will do little to change that.

But if the only way he can get his point across is by telling "my people" to get jobs and take care of our kids (ie. his bullshit), then I can't quite take him seriously.

Again, there was a start to a good discussion until he showed his ass.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

"The ONLY neighborhoods that have not been destroyed are the ones with minimal integration."

I knew you'd start here.

ETA: We know who the messenger is. That doesn't mean the central point behind the message is incorrect. It means that it will be clouded with madmax-isms. No surprises here, people.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I knew you'd start here.

OK.

ETA: I agree with your ETA.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Bringing up "black homicide" and "not letting us in the pool" have nothing to do with the negative effects of integration. I agree with you (and him, I guess) that a lot of low-income areas are plagued with crime and less-than-stellar school districts, and forcing integration will do little to change that.

Read this again. These two sentences basically cannot coexist together - that's what DrPhil is saying. If the second is true, then madmax's sentence is also true in spirit if not to the letter. Inflammatory =/= wrong.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Read this again. These two sentences basically cannot coexist together - that's what DrPhil is saying. If the second is true, then madmax's sentence is also true in spirit if not to the letter. Inflammatory =/= wrong.

IIRC, those children were bussed to that pool. I don't remember integration having anything to do with that story.

[kish2]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

"The ONLY neighborhoods that have not been destroyed are the ones with minimal integration."

.

My intent was to stop destroying neighborhoods.

[LaneSig]

Originally Posted by kish2

Sure, that is easy. Lincoln HS in Phila has 14 full time cops and that is not even a big school. Name me one public school in Phila that does not have full time cops. Be specific!

All the integrated neighborhoods in the city have been destroyed.

N. Philly
S. Phila,
SW Phila,
NE Phila

I could pretty much name a dozen neighborhoods in EACH of those areas. Why do you think most people moved out of the city? The city population went from 2.1 mil down to 1.5 while the suburbs went from almost nothing to 3.5 million. The city has 400 murders per year while the burbs with double the population has very few murders. N. Philly is pretty much a warzone. The cops call it the badlands. The state actually leads the nation in black homicides thanks to a couple sq miles in N. Philly and you wonder why we won't let you in the pool.



The ONLY neighborhoods that have not been destroyed are the ones with minimal integration.

Okay, you named 1 school with 14 full time police officers. You originally said you could name "a dozen with 15 full time police officers". You have 14 more to go.

So, all of the bad neighborhoods and schools in Philadelphia are due to subsidized housing? It doesn't have anything to do with the trends in the '50s when families moved out to the suburbs due to their jobs, more affordable automobiles, and the building of the highway system that made access in and out of large cities possible?

sidenote: "Parking Wars" is one of my favorite shows.

[kish2]

Originally Posted by LaneSig

Okay, you named 1 school with 14 full time police officers. You originally said you could name "a dozen with 15 full time police officers". You have 14 more to go.

So, all of the bad neighborhoods and schools in Philadelphia are due to subsidized housing? It doesn't have anything to do with the trends in the '50s when families moved out to the suburbs due to their jobs, more affordable automobiles, and the building of the highway system that made access in and out of large cities possible?

sidenote: "Parking Wars" is one of my favorite shows.

Do you really want to play games? Take your pick. The twenty most dangerous schools in the state are all in Philly. They all have cops. http://www.philly.com/dailynews/loca...s_schools.html

Douglas High School
Edison / Fareira High School
Fels High School
Fitzsimmons High School
Frankford High School
Furness High School
Germantown High School
Harding Middle School
Kensington Culinary Arts
Kensington Intern Business,
Fitness and Entrepreneur
Lincoln High School
Northeast High School
Olney High School East
Olney High School West
Overbrook High School
Penn High School
Theodore Roosevelt Middle School
Roxborough High School
South Philadelphia High School
Stetson Middle School
Strawberry Mansion High School
University City High School
Vare Middle School
Vaux Middle School
West Philadelphia High School





Yes most of the bad neighborhoods are a result of subsidized housing.

People leaving does not destroy neighborhoods. It is the hoodrats that move into a neighborhood that destroy the neighborhood. Highways and cheap transportation did not cause people to leave it just made it easier for them to leave. It is the criminal element that causes most of the good people to leave.

[LaneSig]

Originally Posted by kish2

Do you really want to play games? Take your pick. The twenty most dangerous schools in the state are all in Philly. They all have cops. http://www.philly.com/dailynews/loca...s_schools.html

Douglas High School
Edison / Fareira High School
Fels High School
Fitzsimmons High School
Frankford High School
Furness High School
Germantown High School
Harding Middle School
Kensington Culinary Arts
Kensington Intern Business,
Fitness and Entrepreneur
Lincoln High School
Northeast High School
Olney High School East
Olney High School West
Overbrook High School
Penn High School
Theodore Roosevelt Middle School
Roxborough High School
South Philadelphia High School
Stetson Middle School
Strawberry Mansion High School
University City High School
Vare Middle School
Vaux Middle School
West Philadelphia High School





Yes most of the bad neighborhoods are a result of subsidized housing.

People leaving does not destroy neighborhoods. It is the hoodrats that move into a neighborhood that destroy the neighborhood. Highways and cheap transportation did not cause people to leave it just made it easier for them to leave. It is the criminal element that causes most of the good people to leave.

Not playing games. You said that you could name schools with 15 police officers. The list is a list of school in Pennsylvania, not specifically Philadelphia; and, the list does not say how many police officers are in each school. If you are going to use hyperbole, be able to back it up. Otherwise, stick to facts instead of exaggerations.

Historically, highways and cheap transportation were the reason people left the inner-cities in the post-War boom.

Also, in today's world, most schools have police officers in them. I teach at a very nice high school in what has been identified as one of the highest per capita income cities in America. Each of our schools has police officers.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by LaneSig

Historically, highways and cheap transportation were the reason people left the inner-cities in the post-War boom.

Highways and cheaper transportation made "white flight" possible and easier. They are not the reason people left the inner cities in the post-War boom.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by kish2

Do you really want to play games? Take your pick. The twenty most dangerous schools in the state are all in Philly. They all have cops. http://www.philly.com/dailynews/loca...s_schools.html

Douglas High School
Edison / Fareira High School
Fels High School
Fitzsimmons High School
Frankford High School
Furness High School
Germantown High School
Harding Middle School
Kensington Culinary Arts
Kensington Intern Business,
Fitness and Entrepreneur
Lincoln High School
Northeast High School
Olney High School East
Olney High School West
Overbrook High School
Penn High School
Theodore Roosevelt Middle School
Roxborough High School
South Philadelphia High School
Stetson Middle School
Strawberry Mansion High School
University City High School
Vare Middle School
Vaux Middle School
West Philadelphia High School





Yes most of the bad neighborhoods are a result of subsidized housing.

People leaving does not destroy neighborhoods. It is the hoodrats that move into a neighborhood that destroy the neighborhood. Highways and cheap transportation did not cause people to leave it just made it easier for them to leave. It is the criminal element that causes most of the good people to leave.

Canada is still open to you.