Obama destroys another neighborhood.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Animal_House

Most of the time, if a ghetto was completely abandoned, with the people, cars, trash, and graffiti gone, it would be identical to a wealthier neighborhood elsewhere.

Ya think? LOL. That would be removing the things that typically characterize lower income neighborhoods.

Poor neighborhoods include, but are not limited to, neighborhoods with Section 8. Even with Section 8, the standards are often not upheld, which continues the cycle of delapidated housing and criminogenic environments.

[Animal_House]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Ya think? LOL. That would be removing the things that typically characterize lower income neighborhoods.

Poor neighborhoods include, but are not limited to, neighborhoods with Section 8. Even with Section 8, the standards are often not upheld, which continues the cycle of delapidated housing and criminogenic environments.

Right. So why would you want to take these people, who have histories of abuse and misuse of property, and put them into wealthier neighborhoods that people have spent their entire lives building from the ground up? I know that if I was paying hundreds or thousands of dollars a month for a mortgage, I'd be pretty pissed to know that someone else was getting the same use of a home from Uncle Sam via my tax dollars.

I say let the cycle continue. If we're going to be giving out welfare, then lets keep it down to the basics. A structure to live in would be considered a "basic"... a neighborhood to destroy would not.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Animal_House

Right.

Then your entire point is moot.

[Animal_House]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Then your entire point is moot.

I agreed that ghettos look like shit because of the people in them, and so that makes my point that they should not be allowed to make other areas look like shit totally moot? You sound like a real champion debater....

[Little32]

Hell, the way housing prices still are in some of these cities, "white-collar" professionals need subsidies to be able to afford a home.

[kish2]

Originally Posted by Little32

Hell, the way housing prices still are in some of these cities, "white-collar" professionals need subsidies to be able to afford a home.

You are probably talking about San Francisco but there are not too many cities like that. They should do away with their subsidies too. SF had a ton of .com money which boosted the housing prices. The market should set the price and in a weak market the prices will eventually come down. It was the school teachers and city workers that wanted the subsidies. If the prices don't come down then labor should negotiate better contracts to get a piece of the pie.

[Xanthus]

Originally Posted by kish2

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_256021.html


Subisidized housing destroys neighborhoods. When I am named Commissioner of the universe I am going to do away with HUD. Why spend billions on housing for people that already destroyed their own neighborhoods?
As soon as the hoodrats move into the neighborhood they destroy the schools and crime always goes up. Then the good people that originally lived in the neighborhood leave. The result is a ghetto.

Yeah, I would have to agree with this. It's just wasting big money funding ghettos. You fix it up, they fuck it up.

Edit: I had to go back and read again. I'm not just talking about blacks only. I'm speaking of fucked up people in general. I'm talking about the meth making pieces of trailer trash shit too. Those illiterate bastards are annoying as fuck. Seriously.

[kish2]

Originally Posted by Xanthus

I'm not just talking about blacks only. I'm speaking of fucked up people in general. I'm talking about the meth making pieces of trailer trash shit too. Those illiterate bastards are annoying as fuck. Seriously.

True but I don't see the trailer trash getting freebies. In the city HUD builds 10 story apartments fo free and then ten years later they tear down the buildings and build new buildings.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by kish2

True but I don't see the poor whites getting aid.

Because you don't know what you're looking at and, as you know, are intentionally going based on stereotypes rather than the reality.

Poor whites comprise most of the AFDC and other safety net and welfare benefits. As for neighborhoods, these benefits tend to take a different form in white neighborhoods than they do in Black or Hispanic neighborhoods. HUD homes are also in the white neighborhoods but "high rise" projects are found in more Black and Hispanic neighborhoods. Obama's initiatives would most likely be applied to more Black neighborhoods than white neighborhoods to address the disproportionate poverty and poor living conditions.

[Xanthus]

Originally Posted by kish2

True but I don't see the trailer trash getting freebies. In the city HUD builds 10 story apartments fo free and then ten years later they tear down the buildings and build new buildings.

Dude, are you fucking kidding me? Seriously? Those douche bags get freebies all the time. It's usually 10 people to a trailer and all of them are on welfare and/or they're either unemployed or working a shitty job, and they don't get freebies? Bullshit! You make good points that I agree with but you're targeting one group of people.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by kish3

If they are getting freebies then cut them off too.

Not to make a million posts in a row, but I agree with this to an extent. I understand some people are less fortunate than others and sometimes their misfortunes aren't always their fault, but what makes me mad is when I'm standing in line at a grocery store and I see a family with a cart full of kids and another one in the oven, and then they pay with a welfare card. Sometimes they even ask for "cash back". I mean, if you can't afford the kids you already have, then don't have anymore. That means that I have to feed them. My God, that makes me SO mad.

[lovespink88]

kish2 AND kish3?? Now you're just getting lazy, max.

[lovespink88]

Originally Posted by kish3

Tell the mods to stop banning me and I won't have to change my name. I would just use max but they won't approve that name.

Um...they're banning you cause you're not wanted here. Take the hint, buddy.

[srmom]

I live in a wealthy area of Houston where there are also some HUD subsidized apartments and townhomes. They are populated by hardworking people who want their kids to attend the excellent public schools. These apartments and townhomes are not "ghetto", they are not run down or over-ridden with criminals. (The only issues we have had in the past few years is when some New Orleans evacuees came and had issues with the Houston residents who already were there)

My kids have attended the public schools (and the highschool regularly sends kids to top colleges, from Ivy leagues to top state schools) with the kids from the HUD units, and these kids and families are wonderful! Many of those kids obtain scholarships, either academic or athletic, and go on to bigger and better things. I also think it has been valuable to my kids to not live in a bubble, but to see that they are fortunate and to understand that not all kids live like they do.

So, there's another example -

Highschool is Stratford Highschool, Houston, Texas

and btw - there's one policeman, Officer Farley, and he's more like Barney Fife loveable

http://ssh.springbranchisd.com/

[agzg]

Originally Posted by srmom

I live in a wealthy area of Houston where there are also some HUD subsidized apartments and townhomes. They are populated by hardworking people who want their kids to attend the excellent public schools. These apartments and townhomes are not "ghetto", they are not run down or over-ridden with criminals. (The only issues we have had in the past few years is when some New Orleans evacuees came and had issues with the Houston residents who already were there)

My kids have attended the public schools (and the highschool regularly sends kids to top colleges, from Ivy leagues to top state schools) with the kids from the HUD units, and these kids and families are wonderful! Many of those kids obtain scholarships, either academic or athletic, and go on to bigger and better things. I also think it has been valuable to my kids to not live in a bubble, but to see that they are fortunate and to understand that not all kids live like they do.

So, there's another example -

Highschool is Stratford Highschool, Houston, Texas

and btw - there's one policeman, Officer Farley, and he's more like Barney Fife loveable

http://ssh.springbranchisd.com/

The way you talk about your kids makes me think that they really are great guys (and gals?). This has absolutely nothing to do with this thread - but (and don't take this the wrong way) you remind me of my mom.