Just failed my new member exam- need some encouragement

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by littleowl33

You're correct. Attendance at the weekly presentations is required for Initiation, but no, there are no checks on whether a New Member has studied/retained the information. I wish there was, and I think the organization would benefit by requiring that New Members show that they know Fraternity history, but I understand why they're careful. In my experience the New Members are respectful, pay attention and learn... if they were snots, we probably wouldn't have bid them in the first place!

I'm sorry but I don't see how requiring attendance and making sure they actually paid attention are separate. Also I fail to see how test would be hazing as you would expect the sisters to know your history.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

I'm sorry but I don't see how requiring attendance and making sure they actually paid attention are separate. Also I fail to see how test would be hazing as you would expect the sisters to know your history.

Tests in any form are always hazing.

I can definitely see a reason for considering a NM exam hazing.

I disagree with removing them, but I understand.

[Kappamd]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

I'm sorry but I don't see how requiring attendance and making sure they actually paid attention are separate. Also I fail to see how test would be hazing as you would expect the sisters to know your history.

I believe that Kappa defines hazing as any activity that is not required by ALL members (active or new member) and that is why exams are not allowed.

Edit: Now that I think about it, isn't that the basic universal definition of hazing?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kappamd

I believe that Kappa defines hazing as any activity that is not required by ALL members (active or new member) and that is why exams are not allowed.

Edit: Now that I think about it, isn't that the basic universal definition of hazing?

I have heard that definition but many organizations to not subscribe to it. And neither do I. New members and actives don't have to do the same thing for a reason. But, actives had to do it when they were new members.

[thetygerlily]

Originally Posted by Kappamd

I believe that Kappa defines hazing as any activity that is not required by ALL members (active or new member) and that is why exams are not allowed.

Originally Posted by Kappamd

Edit: Now that I think about it, isn't that the basic universal definition of hazing?

I went to the Kappa website on hazing, and here is the definition:
Kappa Kappa Gamma Hazing Policy
Hazing is defined as any activity or action taken with or without consent of the individual involved that produces mental, emotional, psychological or physical discomfort, intimidation, humiliation, degradation, embarrassment, harassment or ridicule. Such activities and situations include but are not limited to, blindfolding for any purpose; creation of excessive fatigue; physical and psychological shocks; treasure hunts, scavenger hunts or kidnaps; wearing apparel that is conspicuous and not normally in good taste: engaging in stunts or degrading or humiliating games and activities; and late work sessions.

Under examples, it specifies "Asking new members to pass a test for initiation."

Handled properly a test wouldn't have to be hazing, but perhaps some people crossed the line a few too many times and they decided to play it safe and discontinue it.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by thetygerlily

Under examples, it species "Asking new members to pass a test for initiation."

Handled properly a test wouldn't have to be hazing, but perhaps some people crossed the line a few too many times and they decided to play it safe and discontinue it.

I read this and wouldn't assume they meant a NM test that was formally written and administered.** Actives can make testing conditions torturous but perhaps organizations should take that up with the chapters.

** "Test for initiation" could be "jog 300 laps to test your love for this organization."