Who benefited from the No Child Left Behind?

[epchick]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

Just look around at the school systems. I can speak from experience in my own state, and I'm sure people in other states can attest to the same thing. What the federal government says is a high quality teacher is someone who has the right credentials on paper. Anyone can go through certification requirements if they pay the money and enroll in the classes. That is NOT what makes someone a good teacher. It takes years of dedication and working to hone skills before someone really becomes a quality teacher.

I know teachers who have the proper certification and can't teach worth a d@#$. They don't know how to do proper lesson plans. They don't know anything about pacing guides. They stand up and lecture for the entire class period with little involvement or interaction from the students. I could go on.

And it is interesting to me that despite the NCLB laws, they STILL push TFA.

Yes, there are probably certification programs that you can just pay money and get certified, but that doesn't mean that those people are gonna be piss poor teachers. Yes, not all teachers are gonna be "high" quality teachers, but you can't base that on anything except the person. And the teachers you mentioned probably came waay before NCLB. Like I said, NCLB didn't lower the bar on 'quality.'

And as to Kevin's argument that certification programs are turning them out as fast as they can, that is also not always true. I have to stay in my certification program for at least 18 months, and then do an "internship" for a whole year after. Not necessarily what you would consider 'fast.'

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by epchick

Yes, there are probably certification programs that you can just pay money and get certified, but that doesn't mean that those people are gonna be piss poor teachers. Yes, not all teachers are gonna be "high" quality teachers, but you can't base that on anything except the person. And the teachers you mentioned probably came waay before NCLB. Like I said, NCLB didn't lower the bar on 'quality.'

All certification programs are like that because essentially you are enrolling in classes and paying for them in order to get certified. You can get a passing grade in a class and still not know how to teach. And the point I was making was NOT that those people are going to be piss poor teachers just because they went through the programs. The point is that NCLB seems to stand for the notion that making people get certified will ensure that they are quality teachers when that is most definitely NOT the case. I don't understand why you would try to construe my comments about NCLB as LOWERING teacher quality. I clearly said that it did not necessarily IMPROVE teacher quality and often deters people who would otherwise be good in the classroom from actually getting a job in education. The teachers I mentioned did not come WAY before NCLB. They came AFTER.

[epchick]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

All certification programs are like that because essentially you are enrolling in classes and paying for them in order to get certified. You can get a passing grade in a class and still not know how to teach. The point is that NCLB seems to stand for the notion that making people get certified will ensure that they are quality teachers when that is most definitely NOT the case.

I agree, but you can't lump all certification programs together. Some aren't like you are describing.

You're right not all certified teachers are gonna be quality, just like all nurses (using 33girls example) are not all gonna be quality nurses. Besides, teachers always had to be certified to teach, this wasn't something new that NCLB did. NCLB just re-evaluated what it mean to be a "highly qualified teacher."

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by epchick

I agree, but you can't lump all certification programs together. Some aren't like you are describing.

You're right not all certified teachers are gonna be quality, just like all nurses (using 33girls example) are not all gonna be quality nurses. Besides, teachers always had to be certified to teach, this wasn't something new that NCLB did. NCLB just re-evaluated what it mean to be a "highly qualified teacher."

NCLB changed the certification requirements for many school systems.


Interestingly enough, long before NCLB came into existence, my school system was making AYP. After NCLB, suddenly it became a struggle to make AYP. Yet we had all these certified teachers in the classrooms. I don't think this was unique to my school system either.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

NCLB changed the certification requirements for many school systems.


Interestingly enough, long before NCLB came into existence, my school system was making AYP. After NCLB, suddenly it became a struggle to make AYP. Yet we had all these certified teachers in the classrooms. I don't think this was unique to my school system either.

Didn't NCLB invent AYP? I thought AYP referred to Adequate Yearly Progress toward the NCLB goals. What were you all using to determine AYP before NCLB? Are you talking about Title I measures?

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by gamma

So of course unparented black kids act up and get in trouble more. Any racial group would do the same. The starting point for reducing our nation's youth violence must begin at home. We need our elected public officials to acknowledge this.

What I'm rather unclear on is what is an "unparent" and how can anything begin at a home if there isn't one, especially when there has been a historical systematic destruction of one?

I just am trying to understand because sure, blaming unwed Black teen girls having sex and getting pregnant as the problem, but since folks are so against abortion and barely believe in contraception or how to pay for it and how exactly should abstinence work with these "unparented kids", um, would blanket-statements like simply saying home-training as a policy work?

I can't wait to hear Dr. Harris-Lacewell's take on this on Twitter

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by gamma

Home training works for most. Instead of making excuses you should try it.

huh?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by gamma

Good parenting works for most. Instead of making excuses you should try it.

Jackass.

Who is "you"?

You're addressing someone with a doctorate, idiot.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by gamma

Good parenting works for most. Instead of making excuses you should try it.

By your logic, I guess your parents failed then, huh?