Obama has won a Nobel

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by Little32

I guess I am not sure how to respond to your post, since it demonstrates that you have misread just about everything that I have written. If you want to repost, demonstrating a careful rereading, I might be able to respond better.

Or, we can agree to disagree.

ETA: I will say this, I think there is a difference between arguing that Obama flat out does not deserve it and arguing that there are others who are equally or more deserving. Does that make sense?

Do you want me to provide alternative candidates? Really?

I mean, I certainly can . . . but really?

Additionally, you're accusing me of not understanding you . . . but my whole point is that the Nobel Peace Prize has a history of questionable winners (Yassir Arafat, et al.). This is another in a long line - you can't argue both ways.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Do you want me to provide alternative candidates? Really?

I mean, I certainly can . . . but really?

Additionally, you're accusing me of not understanding you . . . but my whole point is that the Nobel Peace Prize has a history of questionable winners (Yassir Arafat, et al.). This is another in a long line - you can't argue both ways.

Questionable in whose mind? And who are you to provide "alternative candidates?" Really? Are you serious?

In fact, why do you always seem to think your solution or answer is the best?

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

Questionable in whose mind? And who are you to provide "alternative candidates?" Really? Are you serious?

In fact, why do you always seem to think your solution or answer is the best?

That's fair - I'm certainly in no position to claim I'm the oracle here. But it's completely disingenuous to claim that I'm wrong and you're right, because who am I to know what's right? Right?

Obviously "questionable" is subjective, and perhaps I should have made that more a part of my argument. Look, Obama can't be worse than Arafat or Kissinger - we're not at a low point. But to act like it's inane or stupid to think "Bwuh?" at the news that he won the vote 12 days after taking office seems odd to me. He might be the best choice - in fact, I'll say this:

I HOPE TO GOD ABOVE - LITERALLY, TO THE HIGHEST POWER - THAT BARACK OBAMA IS THE BEST CHOICE FOR THE AWARD.

But that doesn't mean he is. Hoping is like crying - nothing changes as an explicit result.

[moe.ron]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

I HOPE TO GOD ABOVE - LITERALLY, TO THE HIGHEST POWER - THAT BARACK OBAMA IS THE BEST CHOICE FOR THE AWARD.

There are 205 candiates for the award. I wonder who they other 204 are.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by moe.ron

There are 205 candiates for the award. I wonder who they other 204 are.

Well, the ultra-accountable and ultra-credible committee will tell us exactly who those people are!

In like 50 years!

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

I HOPE TO GOD ABOVE - LITERALLY, TO THE HIGHEST POWER - THAT BARACK OBAMA IS THE BEST CHOICE FOR THE AWARD.

Really? You mean just in terms of people questioning whether he should have won?

I'm just kind of alarmed by what this would seem to mean in terms of other people's efforts to do good in the world. If Obama, with relatively short list of real accomplishments to benefit other people*, is the most qualified, aren't we kind of doomed?


*I don't mean for an individual or for a US politician, because obviously getting elected President is an accomplishment. I mean a legacy of getting stuff done.


ETA: or did you mean that he would behave in the future according to the standards that the Nobel Peace Prize have rewarded in the past, which would still be at least 50% "Yikes" for me.

Just throwing in my two cents on the choice: I think it's just a nail in the coffin of the Noble awards in certain areas seeming anything but baldly political endorsements. It's not the final nail, or anything, but really, who cares? They can give their prizes and that's swell. The rest of us can just regard their value in the context of previous award winners.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Really? You mean just in terms of people questioning whether he should have won?

I'm just kind of alarmed by what this would seem to mean in terms of other people's efforts to do good in the world. If Obama, with relatively short list of real accomplishments to benefit other people*, is the most qualified, aren't we kind of doomed?


*I don't mean for an individual or for a US politician, because obviously getting elected President is an accomplishment. I mean a legacy of getting stuff done.


ETA: or did you mean that he would behave in the future according to the standards that the Nobel Peace Prize have rewarded in the past, which would still be at least 50% "Yikes" for me.

Just throwing in my two cents on the choice: I think it's just a nail in the coffin of the Noble awards in certain areas seeming anything but baldly political endorsements. It's not the final nail, or anything, but really, who cares? They can give their prizes and that's swell. The rest of us can just regard their value in the context of previous award winners.

It really isn't that serious.

You (and several others) are being absolutely ridiculous. No one is doomed. This award isn't going to cause any harm. Simply put, he is being recognized. He will receive the prize. It will be donated. Life will go on. You weren't on the committee to make the decision. It wasn't your call to make. There is nothing you (or any other naysayers) can do about it.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

It really isn't that serious.

You (and several others) are being absolutely ridiculous. No one is doomed. This award isn't going to cause any harm. Simply put, he is being recognized. He will receive the prize. It will be donated. Life will go on. You weren't on the committee to make the decision. It wasn't your call to make. There is nothing you (or any other naysayers) can do about it.

My point was actually that if Obama were in fact the top person in the world who accomplished something for peace with as little as he's really done then we were doomed, not that giving him the award meant anything at all.

The award is meaningless.