Alabama Recruitment

[xoredhotxo]

...or washington and lee

[LadyLonghorn]

First of all, I said recruitment about as competitive as the SEC. I was thinking more along the lines of places like Vandy (which I realize is technically in the SEC but I never really think about them that way.) But others also have a point when they said Texas is getting right up there as well. I know many people who couldn’t get into Texas because of the top 10 rule who ended up at places like Rice or the Ivies. This is why I find the intellectual snobbery based solely on the college attended so terribly entertaining. Little Owl, just so you don’t feel so alone in your intellectual tower here, I’d like you to know that I was also accepted by both Harvard and Stanford. I chose Texas because I wanted a well-rounded college experience, and I can assure you I am far from being alone.

To address another point, Texas has an extremely competitive Greek system to go along with its selective admission standards, but there is no way anyone would ever call the Greek system here diverse.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by xoredhotxo

...or washington and lee

Thanks -- I meant to include them. And I still have the feeling that I've left someone else out, too . . . .

[libelle]

Originally Posted by kk_bama

Have any of y'all read the novel Eating the Cheshire Cat by Helen Ellis? It mentioned a girl who didn't get into DDD at UA and immediately goes down to Auburn so she can get into DDD there. Of course now that couldn't happen because UA and AU Recruitment happens at the same time. lol.

Once upon a time the state universities in Alabama operated on different calendars. For eg Auburn and South (Alabama) were on the quarter system. Bama was on the semester system. Auburn and South began almost a month later than Bama. It was not unusual for a disappointed PNM to transfer to South which had/s a smaller Greek system. However, it would have been very unusual for a Bama student to transfer to Auburn. It would be heresy.

The calendars were rationalized so that everyone is on a semester calendar making it much easier to transfer among cc's and the universities. And now rush is almost concurrent across the campuses.

[littleowl33]

Originally Posted by libelle

Once upon a time the state universities in Alabama operated on different calendars. For eg Auburn and South (Alabama) were on the quarter system. Bama was on the semester system. Auburn and South began almost a month later than Bama. It was not unusual for a disappointed PNM to transfer to South which had/s a smaller Greek system. However, it would have been very unusual for a Bama student to transfer to Auburn. It would be heresy.

The calendars were rationalized so that everyone is on a semester calendar making it much easier to transfer among cc's and the universities. And now rush is almost concurrent across the campuses.

Out of curiosity, how is it possible to transfer from one University to another within a few weeks of the start of classes? That just seems like it's cutting it pretty close... can the student belatedly accept an offer of admission if she was accepted to both schools originally, or does she fill out a whole transfer app and go for rolling transfer admissions?

[33girl]

Originally Posted by littleowl33

Out of curiosity, how is it possible to transfer from one University to another within a few weeks of the start of classes? That just seems like it's cutting it pretty close... can the student belatedly accept an offer of admission if she was accepted to both schools originally, or does she fill out a whole transfer app and go for rolling transfer admissions?

That was a loooong time ago. If you ever read the book Goat Brothers (about Pi Kappa Alphas at Berkeley in the 1960s) it talks about how one of the characters hadn't decided yet on Berkeley or Stanford, but had signed letters of intent at both, and he chose the former because it was the first exit on the highway.

[BlueCarnation]

Originally Posted by littleowl33

Out of curiosity, how is it possible to transfer from one University to another within a few weeks of the start of classes? That just seems like it's cutting it pretty close... can the student belatedly accept an offer of admission if she was accepted to both schools originally, or does she fill out a whole transfer app and go for rolling transfer admissions?

Most likely, they have paid deposits at more than one school, since I think the cut off for decisions is something like June 1. This happened in my law school class. We started later than many other schools, and we had 4 people join us after having taking a few weeks of classes at other schools. They kept my school as a "back up," I guess.

[littleowl33]

Originally Posted by BlueCarnation

Most likely, they have paid deposits at more than one school, since I think the cut off for decisions is something like June 1. This happened in my law school class. We started later than many other schools, and we had 4 people join us after having taking a few weeks of classes at other schools. They kept my school as a "back up," I guess.

That makes sense. It would be pretty expensive... and if you got caught, you'd probably be in big trouble with both schools... but it could work!

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by libelle

Once upon a time the state universities in Alabama operated on different calendars. For eg Auburn and South (Alabama) were on the quarter system. Bama was on the semester system. Auburn and South began almost a month later than Bama.

Was it really that long ago? I remember when Auburn and USA were on the quarters. There was another school that was on them as well, can't remember which one...

[BlueCarnation]

Originally Posted by littleowl33

That makes sense. It would be pretty expensive... and if you got caught, you'd probably be in big trouble with both schools... but it could work!

It is a hassle to schools in that it throws off yield, screws up housing plans, class scheduling, etc., but students don't get in trouble for it. I think schools actually expect this and allow for it to a small extent, but it probably depends. Schools get to keep the deposits, after all, so they probably get a little money out of it.

[littleowl33]

Originally Posted by BlueCarnation

It is a hassle to schools in that it throws off yield, screws up housing plans, class scheduling, etc., but students don't get in trouble for it. I think schools actually expect this and allow for it to a small extent, but it probably depends. Schools get to keep the deposits, after all, so they probably get a little money out of it.

It may depend on the school... I've worked in the admissions office for a few years and while they do expect the "summer melt" (losing 30-80 incoming freshmen over the summer due to various reasons), if they found out that the student had deposited at another school, I think they would almost certainly rescind admission and keep the deposit. Putting a deposit on a school is like signing a legally binding contract to attend, so doing that at two schools is not a very good idea. The most comparable situation I can think of is when we advise a student on the waitlist to deposit at another school (and NOT depend on getting off the waitlist!). If it turns out we are able to accept him/her later in the summer, he/she just has to forfeit the other school's deposit and deposit with us. But there shouldn't be two deposits down at the same time at any point.

I apologize - this is so off-track from what this thread was originally about! I guess Recruitment at Alabama is over anyway, though.

[Football Fan]

Panhellenic at Alabama is a long established system. Whatever the perceived faults of how things are done it has stood the test of time. For Kappa Delta it is a single letter chapter. Delta Delta Delta celebrates 95 years on campus in 2009.

Let us give some kudos to Panhellenic. With over 1400 registered the vast majority of those young women were placed. All groups took quota or above. Gamma Phi Beta had a record number of new members. Bid Day appeared to be a huge success with parents and friends visiting the chapters, some from long distances. All this is not accomplished without a great deal of planning and hard work both from Panhellenic and the chapters involved.

[HDL66]

Originally Posted by LadyLonghorn

First of all, I said recruitment about as competitive as the SEC. I was thinking more along the lines of places like Vandy (which I realize is technically in the SEC but I never really think about them that way.) But others also have a point when they said Texas is getting right up there as well. I know many people who couldn’t get into Texas because of the top 10 rule who ended up at places like Rice or the Ivies. This is why I find the intellectual snobbery based solely on the college attended so terribly entertaining.

Texas may have become very "selective" because of political decisions (i.e. the top ten rule), but you can't extrapolate that to being on par academically with the IVYs. If you research the 25th/75th percentile ACT scores, you'll find UT's numbers are 21/28. For those that aren't as intellectual as LadyLonghorn, that means that 21% of students enrolled at UT received a composite ACT of 21 or lower; 75% received a 28 or lower. On the other hand, John's Hopkins numbers are 29/33. A glaring disparity, even to the casual observer. All actual IVY league schools were higher (28-31/32-35), and Vandy was 30/33.

Similarly, admission rates for 2007-08 for JH were 25.7%, for UT 50.7%.

I do think you can get an EXECLLENT education at most universities in the country, every university has top students that could have gone elsewhere, and an IVY league degree (heck, any college degree) doesn't equal a successful life. But if you want to play the "My university is as selective/academically rigorous as yours" game, you'd better have the ammunition.

Originally Posted by LadyLonghorn

Little Owl, just so you don’t feel so alone in your intellectual tower here, I’d like you to know that I was also accepted by both Harvard and Stanford. I chose Texas because I wanted a well-rounded college experience, and I can assure you I am far from being alone.

[BadCat25]

To compare average ACTs is not being entirely fair to the University of Texas. Texas has to average in the scores of the football team, which I think is an average of like 3 1/2. That went up a bit since Vince Young left for the Tennessee Titans.

[OleMissGlitter]

Originally Posted by libelle

Once upon a time the state universities in Alabama operated on different calendars. For eg Auburn and South (Alabama) were on the quarter system. Bama was on the semester system. Auburn and South began almost a month later than Bama. It was not unusual for a disappointed PNM to transfer to South which had/s a smaller Greek system. However, it would have been very unusual for a Bama student to transfer to Auburn. It would be heresy.

The calendars were rationalized so that everyone is on a semester calendar making it much easier to transfer among cc's and the universities. And now rush is almost concurrent across the campuses.

There have been a handful of PNMs who didn't get their first choice at Alabama or Auburn and guess what? They transferred to Ole Miss. Since Auburn and Alabama have recruitment before their semesters starts and Ole Miss usually doesn't begin until the last week in August, it gives a student time to leave one school and head to another. I know of a PNM about 4 years ago who didn't get her first choice at Alabama and she did get that first choice here at Ole Miss. They just pay the fees for both schools and if they get their first choice they cancel their applications with the other school. If they don't get their first choice they come here and "withdraw" from the other University. I have seen it about a handful of times. But it does happen.
I also remember when I went through recruitment way back in 1996 (before they moved recruitment) there were two girls in my dorm who packed up and left and went to Mississippi State. They didn't get their first choice here so they figured they would get it at MSU. I personally don't agree with it at all. I can't believe some parents would even suggest or encourage it.