Michael Vick and Job offer

[I.A.S.K.]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Umm, it's time for the shock therapy, because you sound CRAZY. Never once did I say that those other things were okay. In fact, I think the NFL is full of thugs and lowlives; Vick is just part of the collection. It doesn't matter, though, since he probably won't last long in the NFL.

Like I said, I'm not one of those people who values the lives of animals over the lives of humans. Vick, however, continued to do this for years at a time--knowing fully that it was illegal and what kind of problems he'd get into.

Please don't play the race card. His being black did not force him to do the stupid things he did. Playing the race card is sooo old.

Last time I checked this was a message board not a card game so there is no race card to be played. My opinion remains that if Michael Vick were white his sentence would have been less stern. His being black had nothing to do with the crime. His being stupid had that covered. His being black had to do with the sentencing of the crime. If Vick were a white guy he'd been percieved a different way by the public and by the judge. Vick had the image of a young, hip-hop influenced thug. Thats how he was portrayed. It is very hard to imagine a white player in Vick's situation being portrayed that way. That image is what many judges and people cannot relate to. That image is a reason why many people still feel Vick is not changed and is not remorseful though many who know/knew him say he is changed and he has expressed remorse. If you're viewed as a thug you will recieve a harsher sentence because it is deemed necessary.

I never said YOU said them. I never said anyone said them. That is an expression of what the sentiment seems to be about Vick. It is also called *gasp* sarcasm! If you do not value the lives of dogs over the lives of men then regardless of how long Vick was doing this once he served his time there would be no need to punish him further.
Honestly from the comments that Vick made he was contributing to an illegal gambling ring. To him that was the illegal part. The thought didnt cross his mind that the dogs and their treatment would be a problem. There are very many people who arent even aware of the laws that cover animal cruelty. Until someone can find me that part of the Constitution that gives animals rights and tell me what rights they have then I cannot be upset at someone who has served his debt to society and I will not try to prevent him from moving on with his life.

[33girl]

OK, just want to say....

comparisons to rape, STD spreading, things of that nature are apples and oranges. At some point the women who were raped/befouled by VD consented to spend some time with the dude in question. These dogs did NOT have a choice to be part of a dog fighting ring. The only thing I would compare it to with humans would be a child prostitution ring.

Michael Vick did NOT need to get involved in this trash with these horrible people because he had no other way to make money - last I checked he had a rather nice income. If he's being "too" maligned, it's because he never needed to be involved in this to begin with and because he just let it go on and on, in extremely horrible ways. He wasn't a "silent partner" at all.

And I didn't say I would be protesting, I said animal rights groups would. I personally think voting with your wallet is more effective. But that doesn't change the fact that the whole city is going to suffer for the Eagles' extremely piss poor decision.

[I.A.S.K.]

Originally Posted by 33girl

OK, just want to say....

comparisons to rape, STD spreading, things of that nature are apples and oranges. At some point the women who were raped/befouled by VD consented to spend some time with the dude in question. These dogs did NOT have a choice to be part of a dog fighting ring. The only thing I would compare it to with humans would be a child prostitution ring.

Michael Vick did NOT need to get involved in this trash with these horrible people because he had no other way to make money - last I checked he had a rather nice income. If he's being "too" maligned, it's because he never needed to be involved in this to begin with and because he just let it go on and on, in extremely horrible ways. He wasn't a "silent partner" at all.

And I didn't say I would be protesting, I said animal rights groups would. I personally think voting with your wallet is more effective. But that doesn't change the fact that the whole city is going to suffer for the Eagles' extremely piss poor decision.

Just read the bolded one more time and see if it still makes sense. Because women may have come in to contact with or even know their attacker they're more responsible for the crimes committed against them than dogs that have no choice about who they spend time around? Well if thats the case blame the dogs. They could've run away. They knew their attackers. They ate food the attackers fed them. Or do the dogs have battered pet syndrome?

[33girl]

Originally Posted by I.A.S.K.

Just read the bolded one more time and see if it still makes sense. Because women may have come in to contact with or even know their attacker they're more responsible for the crimes committed against them than dogs that have no choice about who they spend time around? Well if thats the case blame the dogs. They could've run away. They knew their attackers. They ate food the attackers fed them. Or do the dogs have battered pet syndrome?

No, dipshit, that is not what I said.

I said at some point, women chose to be in the company of their attacker - unless they were mugged on the street/raped at gunpoint. None of which we are talking about here. I did not say they chose to be raped or get AIDS or whatever or were "asking for it" or are responsible.

These animals never, ever chose to be in the company of Michael Vick or any of his equally sick asshole friends. This isn't Animal Farm where the animals can revolt, although it would have been the bomb diggity if it were.

Why do people freak out more over the rape of a baby than the rape of a grown woman? I mean, I'm sure that baby will forget all about it by the time it grows up. Babies don't know any better. (This is called SARCASM by the way.)

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by I.A.S.K.

Last time I checked this was a message board not a card game so there is no race card to be played. My opinion remains that if Michael Vick were white his sentence would have been less stern.

He actually got a pretty good deal. The federal government was ready to press racketeering charges against him. If they convicted him, which I believe they would have been able to, he would have gotten a $250,000 fine and or 20 years in prison.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

He actually got a pretty good deal. The federal government was ready to press racketeering charges against him. If they convicted him, which I believe they would have been able to, he would have gotten a $250,000 fine and or 20 years in prison.

If anyone wants to talk about a slap on the wrist needs to have a convo with Dante Stallworth

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

If anyone wants to talk about a slap on the wrist needs to have a convo with Dante Stallworth

Agreed honestly. I'm just saying that compared to what could have happened to Vick, he got off easy. And as for Stallworth, WTF? 30 days for killing a man? That is hot steaming BS.