re-rushing as a sophomore @ UF

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

There's nothing wrong with trying, but her chances are definitely not on par with freshmen or even sophomore PNMs.

There's a good chance that she'll end up without a bid.

It's tough, but true.

Best of luck to her.

Do we know that the bold part is true even if she maximizes her options and sees it all the way through?

I know that it's much harder for a junior at a competitive campus to get a bid at some chapters, but have we really seen stats that say that junior straight up get cut out of recruitment more even if they are open to all groups?

The mom didn't pin it down to being UF.

ETA: I'm not challenging the conventional wisdom that it's much harder to rush as a junior, but I think part of why their results are "bad" is that they get much harder early cuts and drop out when they don't like their options. I'm not sure that those that stick it through are that much worse off if we're using "get a bid, any bid" as the standard.

[kddani]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I know that it's much harder for a junior at a competitive campus to get a bid at some chapters, but have we really seen stats that say that junior straight up get cut out of recruitment more even if they are open to all groups?

She is also a transfer student, and from a community college at that. Junior who do get bids at competitive schools tend to already be stand out individuals on campus who know women in the various houses.

[ComradesTrue]

Originally Posted by kddani

She is also a transfer student, and from a community college at that. Junior who do get bids at competitive schools tend to already be stand out individuals on campus who know women in the various houses.

OK, disclaimer, my "n"=1 in this example, but maybe there are some cases where the stars align?

My sister-in-law transferred from community college to FSU and got a bid to a great chapter. She certainly did experience some cuts, but by no means would it be classified as heavy cuts. She certainly had choices throughout the entire week and got her favorite chapter after pref.

However:
--she had a 4.0 coming in from CC
--she is from Florida and knew girls in all the houses from high school and had maintained many of these friendships the first two years of college
--her high school and CC resume included plenty of activities and leadership
--she maintained a classy appearance and attitude throughout Rush
--she is a great conversationalist (and witty!) and is very comfortable talking to new people

By no means am I disagreeing that juniors have the odds stacked against them. They do. However, at least in my SIL's case being a transfer was not too detrimental. This also should help other transfers/juniors know what they are up against. Houses will not keep you around "just because." For those that have the above type of resume/presentation there may be more of a chance. Emphasis on "may."

[UGAalum94]

It's much harder to be a junior in a competitive recruitment. Period.

But I'm not sure if that translates into there being a good chance at no bid at all.

That's all I was getting at.

The junior PNM has to be open to every chapter in a way that a frosh might not.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Do we know that the bold part is true even if she maximizes her options and sees it all the way through?

I know that it's much harder for a junior at a competitive campus to get a bid at some chapters, but have we really seen stats that say that junior straight up get cut out of recruitment more even if they are open to all groups?

The mom didn't pin it down to being UF.

ETA: I'm not challenging the conventional wisdom that it's much harder to rush as a junior, but I think part of why their results are "bad" is that they get much harder early cuts and drop out when they don't like their options. I'm not sure that those that stick it through are that much worse off if we're using "get a bid, any bid" as the standard.

I was assuming that she was talking UF.

Perhaps my last statement was a bit harsh.

I will say that her chances are not the same as a freshman or soph PNM. They just aren't.

If you're going to go through at a competitive school such as UF, you are going to HAVE to be open-minded, because you WILL be cut heavily (I don't think anyone will dispute that).

I find that at big schools, the few juniors who do get bids are those who have good friends in chapters, recs, and a ultra-involved in school.

If she is one of those juniors, her chances may be better. But they generally just aren't as good as other PNMs.

I know that makes me a "Debbie Downer", but I think it would be amiss of me to say "Oh go for it! You will have the same chance as everyone else!" That would be unfair.