Sarah Palin to resign as Alaska governor

[honeychile]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

well I think there was the issue with her sis in law that was being probed

Wasn't it the Baby Daddy's mother who was under investigation?

Whatever. Stranger things have happened in politics, and will happen in the future. If Tina Fey hadn't looked so much like her that people misquoted Sarah by using Tina's words, the whole tone would have been much different.

And there are already people who were interviewed for the Vanity Fair article who say they were misquoted or disregarded for not saying the PC thing. I would so love to see an agenda-free publication, if such a thing exists.

PS: If she did resign due to her kids, more power to her. Growing up in a political family is like playing hopscotch through a mine field.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by honeychile

Wasn't it the Baby Daddy's mother who was under investigation?

Whatever. Stranger things have happened in politics, and will happen in the future. If Tina Fey hadn't looked so much like her that people misquoted Sarah by using Tina's words, the whole tone would have been much different.

And there are already people who were interviewed for the Vanity Fair article who say they were misquoted or disregarded for not saying the PC thing. I would so love to see an agenda-free publication, if such a thing exists.

PS: If she did resign due to her kids, more power to her. Growing up in a political family is like playing hopscotch through a mine field.

Well yeah that too...but that wasn't until late last year and the least of Palin's problems.

As someone said, Palin in the media does seem to be a bit...interesting?

As far as her resigning due to her kids,(if this is a reason) I seem to recall asking that question last year when we first found out about her.

Exactly how does she plan on being a government official and be a mother and grandmother at the same time especially to a special needs child?

Who was going to parent all of the kids while she was running office?

Not to say that it couldn't be done,(these questions and doubts came up during the election of course) but her quitting now if it's for this cause seems to say that she wanted her family first and all else second and may prove some of her critics right that she was indeed not ready to run for office.

IF indeed this is a reason for her resignation then it's a backtrack when she believed that she could handle even being VEEP and a parent.

Suppose she was VP now and decided to resign? How would this look?

[Munchkin03]

According to the NYTimes, Sean Parnell is saying that Ms. Palin's resignation was related to the $500,000 in legal fees they're facing in regards to the alleged ethics violations:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/06/us...q=palin&st=cse

I still say, "stay tuned!"

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

According to the NYTimes, Sean Parnell is saying that Ms. Palin's resignation was related to the $500,000 in legal fees they're facing in regards to the alleged ethics violations:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/06/us...q=palin&st=cse

I still say, "stay tuned!"

??? Still doesn't make any sense.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

??? Still doesn't make any sense.

Nothing these people say ever makes any sense!

Like I said, "stay tuned." I'm sure this isn't the last we hear from these people.

[UGAalum94]

Even though not much came of the ethics investigation and there don't seem to be anymore pending, she does have the bills, but that doesn't really explain the resignation to me because with a book deal or whatever, I think she could take care of that pretty quickly.

I think that it was a mistake for her to resign if she intends to stay in politics as an elected official; it made me a whole lot less likely to vote for her. But I don't think that it means she would have resigned had she and McCain been successful. Some of the enduring negative press wouldn't be out there had they won since it's coming from McCain campaign staffers who wouldn't have as much interest in finding fault with her had they won.

I haven't worked up to reading the Vanity Fair piece yet, but it's interesting the snippets that you see in the press generally, and how much they just take the staffers' word, like the Todd Palin Alaska Party email. It's probably debatable whether the whole reason for the party's existence when T. Palin was a member was succession, but the staffer is assumed by the press at large apparently to be 100% correct in his response to her. His broader point may have been correct that it just would add fuel to the press's interest in the issue, but his rebuttal about the party itself is taken for granted as true. And I kind of wondered where he got off basically calling her a liar. How would he know why Todd cancelled his membership?

The dynamics are intended to make her look crazy, dishonest, and meddlesome, but I'm not sure that's the whole story.

Anyway, I'd actually kind of disappointed with her decision to resign in a way that surprises me, in terms of personally being kind of bummed out. I was always pretty pleased by what I knew about how she actually governed, and this decision kind of strips away why I actually found her deserving of support.

So now, unless she really does go away, we're left with the just the circus.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Even though not much came of the ethics investigation and there don't seem to be anymore pending, she does have the bills, but that doesn't really explain the resignation to me because with a book deal or whatever, I think she could take care of that pretty quickly.

I think that it was a mistake for her to resign if she intends to stay in politics as an elected official; it made me a whole lot less likely to vote for her. But I don't think that it means she would have resigned had she and McCain been successful. Some of the enduring negative press wouldn't be out there had they won since it's coming from McCain campaign staffers who wouldn't have as much interest in finding fault with her had they won.

I haven't worked up to reading the Vanity Fair piece yet, but it's interesting the snippets that you see in the press generally, and how much they just take the staffers' word, like the Todd Palin Alaska Party email. It's probably debatable whether the whole reason for the party's existence when T. Palin was a member was succession, but the staffer is assumed by the press at large apparently to be 100% correct in his response to her. His broader point may have been correct that it just would add fuel to the press's interest in the issue, but his rebuttal about the party itself is taken for granted as true. And I kind of wondered where he got off basically calling her a liar. How would he know why Todd cancelled his membership?

The dynamics are intended to make her look crazy, dishonest, and meddlesome, but I'm not sure that's the whole story.

Anyway, I'd actually kind of disappointed with her decision to resign in a way that surprises me, in terms of personally being kind of bummed out. I was always pretty pleased by what I knew about how she actually governed, and this decision kind of strips away why I actually found her deserving of support.

So now, unless she really does go away, we're left with the just the circus.

Something you and I can both agree on.

[starang21]

LMAO!

[VandalSquirrel]

An angle discussed today is that she's stepping down now to get her crap together for any future elections. A portion of that would be no family surprises in regards to teenage pregnancy, or being accused of bad parenting or neglecting her newest child who has Down's syndrome. That was an area where people made comments when she was running for VP, particularly about her family, so it is a plausible theory.

Alaska may be Republican overall, but there is a strong lean to Libertarianism. If there's a viable Libertarian or Democrat candidate, it wouldn't surprise me in the next election if the governor wasn't a Republican. The attitude is somewhat "do what you want, but don't screw up or embarrass us"

[UGAalum94]

Yeah, and that's why I got so frustrated with people who wanted to paint Palin as a theocrat. I don't think a conservative coming out of Alaska is going to think that everything that's a swell idea personally is something the government ought to do.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Yeah, and that's why I got so frustrated with people who wanted to paint Palin as a theocrat. I don't think a conservative coming out of Alaska is going to think that everything that's a swell idea personally is something the government ought to do.

My opinion is that she was one of the least Libertarian leaning in recent years. If she was representatively Libertarian the GOP wouldn't have been interested in her. Decisions she's made and other policies have religious leanings more than the general Alaskan population. A lot of people are living off the grid and don't want any government, but they don't vote so they aren't represented. The Libertarian streak is pretty prevalent in frontier areas like Montana, Alaska, and even in parts of Idaho.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

My opinion is that she was one of the least Libertarian leaning in recent years. If she was representatively Libertarian the GOP wouldn't have been interested in her. Decisions she's made and other policies have religious leanings more than the general Alaskan population. A lot of people are living off the grid and don't want any government, but they don't vote so they aren't represented. The Libertarian streak is pretty prevalent in frontier areas like Montana, Alaska, and even in parts of Idaho.

Show me where she made a political decision or took an action in office that seemed religious, please. There was a lot of talk, but very little that she seemed to actually try to effect, as far as I can tell, but I may have missed stuff.

Compared to Alaskans and real Libertarian party members, sure, she wouldn't be libertarian; compared to the average GOP politician in Georgia? That's what I was thinking about. She has faith that personally guides her, but I don't think there's much evidence that she expected to actually change policies for others based on that faith.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Show me where she made a political decision or took an action in office that seemed religious, please. There was a lot of talk, but very little that she seemed to actually try to effect, as far as I can tell, but I may have missed stuff.

Compared to Alaskans and real Libertarian party members, sure, she wouldn't be libertarian; compared to the average GOP politician in Georgia? That's what I was thinking about. She has faith that personally guides her, but I don't think there's much evidence that she expected to actually change policies for others based on that faith.

Being against same sex partnerships is part of her religious belief system, and she vetoed those benefits for state employees within a month of taking office in December 2006. Thankfully the Alaskan Supreme Court ruled that denying these benefits was unconstitutional. 1998 was when people voted for an amendment to make marriage between a man and a woman, so she claims she was upholding the AK constitution by vetoing it, but the bill predated her taking office as governor. It passed through the Legislature, and was only applicable to state employees.

Like many people, I have yet to see any reason against same sex partnerships and benefits that isn't backed by religion.

http://gov.state.ak.us/archive-16645.html

There are also much smaller things from her Wasilla days, but those are harder to dig out with official government documents.

ETA: I also found this http://gov.state.ak.us/archive.php?id=1500&type=6 and I searched through that site and found no mentions of anything comparable for other faiths, though I did find a Proclamation about the 50th anniversary of the Beth Sholom Congregation in Anchorage. Not mentioning other faiths in two and a half years, but proclaiming Tai Chi and Qigong Day is poor judgment and not inclusive. May is Jewish Heritage Month (Jewish Heritage Week falls in May), October is Islamic History Month, but they cannot be found in her proclamations, and I think that won't help her, or anyone, not look Christian centered.

[texas*princess]

Originally Posted by honeychile

If Tina Fey hadn't looked so much like her that people misquoted Sarah by using Tina's words, the whole tone would have been much different.

I don't think Tina Fey & SNL had anything to do with it. The script writers used a LOT of words/phrases that Palin herself used.

Middle class question about bailing out the banks Fey vs Palin

She (Palin) also used lines like "I'll try to find some and bring them to ya," when asked about some specific examples on how her running mate McCain supported regulation

Video of the now infamous interview

If there was any damage made, it was her own, and not because Tina Fey portrayed her on SNL. SNL used the very words & phrases that Palin used. She probably added some "ya knows"

I really wish I could find the entire SNL "interview" split screen w/ the one Palin did with Katie.

Dollar value meals, and asking Russians to "shoo" aside, a LOT of the skit from SNL was almost verbatim from Palin's interview. I would be concerned if people seriously thought Palin talked about dollar value meals.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by texas*princess

I don't think Tina Fey & SNL had anything to do with it. The script writers used a LOT of words/phrases that Palin herself used.

Middle class question about bailing out the banks Fey vs Palin

She (Palin) also used lines like "I'll try to find some and bring them to ya," when asked about some specific examples on how her running mate McCain supported regulation

Video of the now infamous interview

If there was any damage made, it was her own, and not because Tina Fey portrayed her on SNL. SNL used the very words & phrases that Palin used. She probably added some "ya knows"

I really wish I could find the entire SNL "interview" split screen w/ the one Palin did with Katie.

Dollar value meals, and asking Russians to "shoo" aside, a LOT of the skit from SNL was almost verbatim from Palin's interview. I would be concerned if people seriously thought Palin talked about dollar value meals.

The ONLY thing people remember?

"I can see Alaska from my house."

According to polls? Palin said it. You're overthinking this.