Spinoff: Iran Envy?

[Senusret I]

^^^ I can dig it.

What I am gleaning from these updates is the same sort of sentiment among (certain) people of color I went to college with who would look back upon the 1960s and think that our entire generation was lost because we never had sit-ins or took over buildings.

The other thing at play is that some people with the Iran Envy weren't adults when Bush won in 2000 and don't have what I would consider a balanced view of the reactions.

I guess my take on it is that we collectively did what we could to fight Bush winning and stopped when it seemed futile (and even then, not everyone stopped).

Or maybe I'm just picking fights with people.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

^^^ I can dig it.

What I am gleaning from these updates is the same sort of sentiment among (certain) people of color I went to college with who would look back upon the 1960s and think that our entire generation was lost because we never had sit-ins or took over buildings.

Those people are lazy and stuck in the past. I call them lazy because they'd rather sit around complaining than doing something about it.

I liken it to inactive and nonfinancial BGLOers who have complaints or talk about how things went downhill after 1990. Either build us a time machine or shut up and roll up your sleeves.

Originally Posted by Senusret I

The other thing at play is that some people with the Iran Envy weren't adults when Bush won in 2000 and don't have what I would consider a balanced view of the reactions.

I guess my take on it is that we collectively did what we could to fight Bush winning and stopped when it seemed futile (and even then, not everyone stopped).

Or maybe I'm just picking fights with people.

Those who weren't adults in 2000 shouldn't be taken too seriously. Their idea of outrage and protest is battling it out on the internetz.

The 2000 election was also interesting because it placed Gore in exile and made him look like a mountaineer. That's a much more powerful protest than any of us taxpayers could do.

[jennyj87]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Those who weren't adults in 2000 shouldn't be taken too seriously. Their idea of outrage and protest is battling it out on the internetz.

I'm going to have to call the challenge flag on that one. Although only 13, I did pay very much attention to that election, as well as the one in 2004, where again I wasn't able to vote. My classmates and I DID do stuff, even though we weren't able to vote, like helping those who were register. When the election results came in, we DID protest on things other than the internet.

Another thing I would like to point out, and I may be opening a can of worms here, is all of those who are complaining about the most recent election. When we (democrats) put the "January 20, 2009, Bush's last day" stickers on our cars we were called out for being unpatriotic. Now, I see peoples stickers with "January 2013, end of an Error" stickers. Am I suppose to be calling them unpatriotic?

The things that are happening in Iran right now are terrible. Anyone that disagrees with me, well I'm sorry that you are that ignorant.


*ends wicked long rant*

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by jennyj87

I'm going to have to call the challenge flag on that one. Although only 13, I did pay very much attention to that election, as well as the one in 2004, where again I wasn't able to vote. My classmates and I DID do stuff, even though we weren't able to vote, like helping those who were register. When the election results came in, we DID protest on things other than the internet.

Erm, yeah - good work? Anecdotes aren't my preferred method of "calling the challenge flag" (as it were) - but the point isn't that you specifically were incapable of doing such, just that the youngest generation is much more likely to use "new media" to reach out, whereas before you'd need a sit-in or whatever.

Originally Posted by jennyj87

The things that are happening in Iran right now are terrible. Anyone that disagrees with me, well I'm sorry that you are that ignorant.

Has literally anyone on Earth who is not Basij said "the things happening in Iran right now are pretty much OK" or anything resembling disagreement with you? I mean, I'm all for a good idiot-wranglin' but you're really screaming into the wind here, aren't you?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Erm, yeah - good work? Anecdotes aren't my preferred method of "calling the challenge flag" (as it were) - but the point isn't that you specifically were incapable of doing such, just that the youngest generation is much more likely to use "new media" to reach out, whereas before you'd need a sit-in or whatever.

Arguably, the mode of social action has to change with the times.

My issue with it is that social action can sometimes become more of a fad than anything. The deceased student Nadea's image is circulating the internet as the image of young Iranian protest. There's even one of those drawn image thingies that folks created for Obama during the election (ya know, the annoying trendy fad Obama stuff that caught on).

I have no issue with it as long as it conveys a MESSAGE rather than relying on trendy imagery for young people who don't know what the hell is going on.

[jennyj87]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Erm, yeah - good work? Anecdotes aren't my preferred method of "calling the challenge flag" (as it were) - but the point isn't that you specifically were incapable of doing such, just that the youngest generation is much more likely to use "new media" to reach out, whereas before you'd need a sit-in or whatever.



Has literally anyone on Earth who is not Basij said "the things happening in Iran right now are pretty much OK" or anything resembling disagreement with you? I mean, I'm all for a good idiot-wranglin' but you're really screaming into the wind here, aren't you?

Ohh rude people never seem to amaze me, even on the internet.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by jennyj87

I'm going to have to call the challenge flag on that one. Although only 13, I did pay very much attention to that election, as well as the one in 2004, where again I wasn't able to vote. My classmates and I DID do stuff, even though we weren't able to vote, like helping those who were register. When the election results came in, we DID protest on things other than the internet.

You and your classmates were the minority. So, my generalization stands.

[jennyj87]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

You and your classmates were the minority. So, my generalization stands.

I'm sorry but isn't this what every generation has said about the newest? The generation of my grandparents call my mothers generation the hippies who don't do action. My mothers generation is calling us lazy who only care about fashion and celebritys.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by jennyj87

[FONT=Verdana]Another thing I would like to point out, and I may be opening a can of worms here, is all of those who are complaining about the most recent election. When we (democrats) put the "January 20, 2009, Bush's last day" stickers on our cars we were called out for being unpatriotic.

Please -- not that I heard anyone say those bumperstickers were "unpatriotic," but lots of "us" (Democrats) did not put those on our cars.

Originally Posted by jennyj87

Ohh rude people never seem to amaze me, even on the internet.

Who's being rude?

[UGAalum94]

On a scale of one to ten, what would be the normal range for the intensity of one's ( likely emotional) reaction to the comparison of the 2000 US election and the situation today in Iran?

I'm wondering if my this-is-too-absurd-to-do-more-than-snort is normal.

[jennyj87]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Please -- not that I heard anyone say those bumperstickers were "unpatriotic," but lots of "us" (Democrats) did not put those on our cars.

Whose being rude?

Sorry I had to specify when I said us. I did not put one on my car, but a lot of my friends did, and got called unpatriotic for not supporting their president, the war, etc.

Ksig is being rude.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by jennyj87

I'm sorry but isn't this what every generation has said about the newest? The generation of my grandparents call my mothers generation the hippies who don't do action. My mothers generation is calling us lazy who only care about fashion and celebritys.

No.

[moe.ron]

Here's the question, will the end result follow what happen in Indonesia, where the student movement were able to forced the dictator resigned. Or, will it follow China where the student movement was crushed?