Why is the Frat Boy Culture so Sleazy and Sex-Crazed?

[AGDee]

I certainly wouldn't limit it to fraternity men because I saw the same kinds of behaviors in my ex-husband's group of friends(second husband, non-greek). Additionally, to them (and to the fraternities, back in my day) there were two types of women.. the type they talked about and the the type they really liked. Long term girlfriends/fiancee's and eventually, wives, weren't treated this way. In fact, there was more of a protective nature toward the serious girlfriend's of brothers and if a guy from another fraternity made a comment about a brother's girlfriend? Well, that could result in an all out brawl. The longterm girlfriends knew which rooms had peepholes and knew to avoid those rooms.

[Ghostwriter]

Damn! Now after all these years I find out that I am homosexual ("not that there is anything wrong with that" to quote Seinfield). Guess I better tell my family.

Just wondering what bunch of dummies would paint their own greek letters on a rape victim? Maybe there are fraternity members who do so and I am just naive. Is this a true story? Wouldn't it be easy to find out who they were and put them in prison for a long, long time?

What happened to the chapter at Dartmouth? Would women go anywhere near them after this was published?

I believe this is a badly flawed article from egghead elistists. I do not see any supporting data from the author of the article. Maybe there is but I do not see it cited here.

[madmax]

Just think of sex as a handbag and then you will understand.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by ThetaPrincess24

Any thoughts on this article?

Originally Posted by 33girl

This dude sounds like someone who cut off his family jewels and then crawled on hands and knees over to the feminazi wing of the social studies department, crying and offering them as an apology for his gender.

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

I believe this is a badly flawed article from egghead elistists. I do not see any supporting data from the author of the article. Maybe there is but I do not see it cited here.

After taking a look at the website of the National Sexuality Resource Center ( a "research center" at San Francisco State U that "creates content, leads trainings, and guides the development of a new sexuality movement, founded on the unique concept of sexual literacy—the positive, integrated, and holistic view of sexuality from a social justice perspective"), my thoughts are that the NSRC hardly strikes me as an objective research center and that 33girl and Ghostwriter are probably on the right track.

[texas*princess]

most college-aged guys are like that. hell, i would say every male between the ages of 17-30.

[ThetaPrincess24]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

What happened to the chapter at Dartmouth? Would women go anywhere near them after this was published?

Sadly maybe so. I wont get into specifics, but something similar happened on a local campus in this area, and two sororities continued to wear their rush shirts despite the fraternity being shunned by the other sororities and held in negative light by other fraternities.

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

Damn! Now after all these years I find out that I am homosexual ("not that there is anything wrong with that" to quote Seinfield). Guess I better tell my family.

Just wondering what bunch of dummies would paint their own greek letters on a rape victim? .

No one. I heard about that case in my risk management seminar thing I had to go to. It was a group of mixed gdi's and brothers from a different group that didn't like the group whose letters they used. They dropped her off on the front porch of said house and left her pretty much for dead.

[FlaGirl07]

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

No one. I heard about that case in my risk management seminar thing I had to go to. It was a group of mixed gdi's and brothers from a different group that didn't like the group whose letters they used. They dropped her off on the front porch of said house and left her pretty much for dead.

Are you certain this story is correct? I am 100% sure one of the men involved is registered on the Florida Sex Offender website (I am not giving the name) and was a member of the fraternity in question. This fraternity on campus still has this situation haunt them today.

[angelove]

RU OX is mostly correct. It was two brothers from that house and a brother from a different chapter. They did not write their letters on the girl but wrote the letters of a different (rival) fraternity. Unfortunately, the actions of those brothers (out of a huge 150+ member chapter) resulted in the suspension of the chapter for a very long time. I'm amazed that it's still being discussed over 20 years later and that current students are looking up one of the perpetrators on the sex offender registration site. I don't mean you in particular FlaGirl - I just think it's sad that out of all of those fraternity members that guy's name is still remembered.

[FlaGirl07]

Originally Posted by angelove

RU OX is mostly correct. It was two brothers from that house and a brother from a different chapter. They did not write their letters on the girl but wrote the letters of a different (rival) fraternity. Unfortunately, the actions of those brothers (out of a huge 150+ member chapter) resulted in the suspension of the chapter for a very long time. I'm amazed that it's still being discussed over 20 years later and that current students are looking up one of the perpetrators on the sex offender registration site. I don't mean you in particular FlaGirl - I just think it's sad that out of all of those fraternity members that guy's name is still remembered.

I didn't personally look it up myself. It is something that happened LONG before I got there, but wanted to accentuate the fact that it is still very much still talked about today and still affects the reputation of that chapter.

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by FlaGirl07

Are you certain this story is correct? I am 100% sure one of the men involved is registered on the Florida Sex Offender website (I am not giving the name) and was a member of the fraternity in question. This fraternity on campus still has this situation haunt them today.

It might have been a smiliar case, but yeah, I remember what I was taught. I hated that "class." Basically an hour and a half of "if anyone accuses you of anything you're at fault because you are the house manager."

ETA: Gaah. I just read angel love's comments/your discussion. Glad it didn't happen twice. That's so awful.

[ThetaPrincess24]

Originally Posted by AGDee

I certainly wouldn't limit it to fraternity men because I saw the same kinds of behaviors in my ex-husband's group of friends(second husband, non-greek). Additionally, to them (and to the fraternities, back in my day) there were two types of women.. the type they talked about and the the type they really liked. Long term girlfriends/fiancee's and eventually, wives, weren't treated this way. In fact, there was more of a protective nature toward the serious girlfriend's of brothers and if a guy from another fraternity made a comment about a brother's girlfriend? Well, that could result in an all out brawl. The longterm girlfriends knew which rooms had peepholes and knew to avoid those rooms.

I totally agree regarding some non-greek men being just as bad if not sometimes worse than descriptions in this article! I have never heard any stories from when I was a student at both UK and EKU about peepholes, watching, and the "homosexual" things they talk about in this article but because I wasnt living in a fraternity house/dorm floor, receiving their newsletters, brotherhoods, etc. that doesnt mean something similar didnt go on. In his book, Dr. Alan DeSantis talks about some of the interviews he did with some fraternity men on campus (keep in mind too DeSantis is a Sigma Pi Fraternity man) talking about competitions between brothers on who can have sex with the most girls and ideas on what they consider to be date rape and not. He also talks about interviews with sorority women who have had guys come on too strong, and some date rape issues.

I have witnessed all out brawls in both bars and on campus where someone in one fraternity made a comment about someone else's girlfriend in another fraternity.