Race & Sororities

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Again, you are basing all of this on your instincts or opinion - I will give you a concrete example of why I can sit here and say that sometimes there haven't been any qualified black women going through a NPC recruitment. SMU - the NPC sororities were criticized in the press, and then someone actually did the research - AND IT TURNS OUT UP TO THAT POINT IN TIME NO BLACK WOMEN HAD GONE THROUGH RECRUITMENT. Several qualified women went through, and guess what? They were pledged. So yes, I can sit here and say that sometimes the problem is that black women are not going thorugh the NPC recruitment process.

And again - you don't understand NPC membership selection. You can't. I don't think I'm revealing too much to say that the reasons behind a member's vote remain as private as the member wishes. Race may, or may not, be a reason for A member to chose not to vote for a woman - but for you to become omniscient all of a sudden and say that it is racism for chapters to not have black members (I don't know of any NPCs that DON'T have minority members - I'm sure we would have heard of it were that the case) is to denigrate the NPC and the many intelligent, open-minded members who have pledged and initiated women from across the colour spectrum. Are there chapters that might not pledge a black woman? Probably - but to paint the whole system at a campus or even worse, the NPC ,as racist without some sort of data to back up your assertion is to ignore the reality of NPC chapters today AND discourages otherwise interested women from pursuing membership - then it becomes a vicious circle. Black women don't go through, black women don't pledge, chapters don't have black members, so black women don't go through.

Thank you for validating what I was saying. I'm sure there are many NPC's that have MINORITY members. There are other minority groups of women out there. And I have seen many of them join NPC groups. But that's not the same as having BLACK women.

And for the record, I HAVE heard of white sororities not allowing black members or giving them hell through the process that amounts to racist and egregious behavior.

As for black women not going through the process in the first place...that's no excuse either. Many times they don't go through the process because things happen before they try to go through the process...not to mention the fact that these groups have a way of letting people know who is or is not welcome in the group.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

And for the record, I HAVE heard of white sororities not allowing black members or giving them hell through the process that amounts to racist and egregious behavior.

Excuse me if I don't take this as proof that NPC chapters haze black women. You heard? Really.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Excuse me if I don't take this as proof that NPC chapters haze black women. You heard? Really.

The fact that you would say something like that just shows a cluelessness that is unbelievable.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

And for the record, I HAVE heard of white sororities not allowing black members or giving them hell through the process that amounts to racist and egregious behavior.

As for black women not going through the process in the first place...that's no excuse either. Many times they don't go through the process because things happen before they try to go through the process...not to mention the fact that these groups have a way of letting people know who is or is not welcome in the group.

You sound paranoid. I have never "heard of" any of these things you claim. Perhaps they're fabricated?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

You sound paranoid. I have never "heard of" any of these things you claim. Perhaps they're fabricated?

I disagree. There are hundreds of collegiate chapters in the U.S. People have pretty much seen and heard it all, even if we haven't ourselves.

Chapters of GLOs that would give a member who is not of the predominant group "hell" are often located on campuses with some level of racial and ethnic tension.

But, the truth of the matter is still that none of our organizations get an influx of aspirants who aren't of the predominant race. There are a couple of chapters that get more, but those are just exceptions.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I disagree. There are hundreds of collegiate chapters in the U.S. People have pretty much seen and heard it all, even if we haven't ourselves.

Chapters of GLOs that would give a member who is not of the predominant group "hell" are often located on campuses with some level of racial and ethnic tension.

But, the truth of the matter is still that none of our organizations get an influx of aspirants who aren't of the predominant race. There are a couple of chapters that get more, but those are just exceptions.

I'm not saying that it's never ever happened in the history of the world, but when I was doing my own research when I was considering joining a Greek organization, I had heard such "horror stories," and still couldn't find anyone who would actually admit to having experienced anything like this, or knew anyone who experienced it firsthand. It was always, "I talked to someone who heard about a black girl who tried to rush at Fillintheblank U and they said she was too poor, even though her father like, OWNED all of Cleveland."

The only "horror stories" I got about joining an NPC group that actually could be substantiated were from several HS classmates who didn't like being in an NPC group and depledged (or just became inactive in college), who then realized that they had basically prevented themselves from joining an NPHC group. "Don't do it!," they said, "'cause after college, you can't go AKA or Delta grad!"

So much of it is urban legends and college apocrypha.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

I'm not saying that it's never ever happened in the history of the world...

Then what's the debate really about? LOL

You never heard it but you admit it probably HAS happened at some time.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Then what's the debate really about? LOL

You never heard it but you admit it probably HAS happened at some time.

Where's the debate? I didn't say probably! Besides, I still think that the poster above kind of made that up out of a previously documented sense of paranoia.

It just seems like a thing that someone would say to discourage a friend or family member to join a specific sorority, based more on a lack of understanding than any real truth.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Where's the debate? I didn't say probably! Besides, I still think that the poster above kind of made that up out of a previously documented sense of paranoia.

It just seems like a thing that someone would say to discourage a friend or family member to join a specific sorority, based more on a lack of understanding than any real truth.

I agree; there's a difference between saying that there are some racist/discriminatory chapters out there, and setting it up like that's the norm. At the end of the day, in most cases, you're relying on rumor and guesses because of the secrecy of the intake/membership selection process.

That said, I always cringe when I see posters putting up this much information, whether it's during the rush process, while pledging, or even during their time as an undergrad brother/sister. It's been shown that a lot of undergrads read Greekchat, and getting into too much detail with regards to ANY issue will likely create more headaches for the poster.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Where's the debate? I didn't say probably! Besides, I still think that the poster above kind of made that up out of a previously documented sense of paranoia.

It just seems like a thing that someone would say to discourage a friend or family member to join a specific sorority, based more on a lack of understanding than any real truth.

Okay, "maybe."

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Chapters of GLOs that would give a member who is not of the predominant group "hell" are often located on campuses with some level of racial and ethnic tension.

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Yeah. Even now I'm thinking about some of the racist things some orgs have done on various campuses across the South alone. Even if black women don't actually get hazed, the racist incidents are enough to deter them from wanting to join in some instances.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

You sound paranoid. I have never "heard of" any of these things you claim. Perhaps they're fabricated?

No. They aren't fabricated at all. I'm just really amazed at the fact that people either haven't heard of these kinds of situations or are just being willfully ignorant. What is even more amazing is that people are refusing to even consider the POSSIBILITY that it has happened. Are you THAT naive?

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

What is even more amazing is that people are refusing to even consider the POSSIBILITY that it has happened. Are you THAT naive?

Read the rest of what I said above. I said that while it was possible, and very well may have happened, in my research upon deciding whether to go NPC or NPHC, I tried very hard to find any examples of these experiences, but yet I could not. It's always "I heard," or "someone told me," which makes me think that it's much less common than some people like to think. Clearly, if I came into my Greek experience knowing that this *might* happen, I'm not naive. You, however, are a hysterical idiot.

But, really? The UGA AGD lawsuit? The plaintiff was determined to be less than credible pretty early on; furthermore, she was trying to get out of her chapter. What are you going to come up with next, Melody Twilley?

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

But, really? The UGA AGD lawsuit? The plaintiff was determined to be less than credible pretty early on; furthermore, she was trying to get out of her chapter. What are you going to come up with next, Melody Twilley?

Right.

Love the pulling up of "stats" without even knowing anything about the cases themselves.

And you KNOW that Miss Twilley is bound to come up, lol.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Read the rest of what I said above. I said that while it was possible, and very well may have happened, in my research upon deciding whether to go NPC or NPHC, I tried very hard to find any examples of these experiences, but yet I could not. It's always "I heard," or "someone told me," which makes me think that it's much less common than some people like to think. Clearly, if I came into my Greek experience knowing that this *might* happen, I'm not naive. You, however, are a hysterical idiot.

But, really? The UGA AGD lawsuit? The plaintiff was determined to be less than credible pretty early on; furthermore, she was trying to get out of her chapter. What are you going to come up with next, Melody Twilley?

When I saw "I heard," I am typically talking about things I have heard in the news. I'm not usually referring to just random gossip.