Hazing types by group type.

[Kevin]

KSigkid, MysticCat, I don't see anything terribly wrong with this thread. I acknowledge that it's largely premised on stereotypes and unlikely to evolve into a productive discussion about anything. Nevertheless, the topic seems to be (or aspire to be) a discussion about what kind of hazing 'typically' occurs in different types of organizations. That's just fine, IMHO. If it gets nasty, I can simply lock things up.

Please keep in mind that I will not tolerate specific accusations made against any chapter or group unless supported by some sort of evidence.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Please keep in mind that I will not tolerate specific accusations made against any chapter or group unless supported by some sort of evidence.

Nor should you.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Kevin

KSigkid, MysticCat, I don't see anything terribly wrong with this thread. I acknowledge that it's largely premised on stereotypes and unlikely to evolve into a productive discussion about anything.

Right. Hence my trainwreck prediction.

Nothing wrong with the thread in terms of being appropriate for the forum and within terms of service. And sure, some people like to have discussions on hazing. I just don't see value in this discussion, which is, as you say, based largely on stereotypes.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Right. Hence my trainwreck prediction.

Nothing wrong with the thread in terms of being appropriate for the forum and within terms of service. And sure, some people like to have discussions on hazing. I just don't see value in this discussion, which is, as you say, based largely on stereotypes.

OK, lets phrase it in the contrapositive then. Does anyone know of any referenced case where an NPC Sorority or NPHC Fraternity or Sorority was nailed for Hazing because of an Alcohol overdose.

Does anyone know of a referenced case where an NIC Fraternity (which isn't also in the NPHC) or an NPC sorority was nailed for hazing because of short distance physical abuse.

Any truly psychological cases of hazing for any of the Fraternities?

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by naraht

OK, lets phrase it in the contrapositive then. Does anyone know of any referenced case where an NPC Sorority or NPHC Fraternity or Sorority was nailed for Hazing because of an Alcohol overdose.

Does anyone know of a referenced case where an NIC Fraternity (which isn't also in the NPHC) or an NPC sorority was nailed for hazing because of short distance physical abuse.

Any truly psychological cases of hazing for any of the Fraternities?

Also, I don't think that there is a hazing case that involves solely ONE type of activity.

And furthermore, if we're going to continue with this (ridiculous) line of discussion, you have to define "psychological hazing."

Isn't all hazing psychological on some level?

And isn't alchohol overdose "physical?" You can't really categorize hazing in this manner.

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Right. Hence my trainwreck prediction.
I just don't see value in this discussion, which is, as you say, based largely on stereotypes.

Exactly.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by naraht

OK, lets phrase it in the contrapositive then. Does anyone know of any referenced case where an NPC Sorority or NPHC Fraternity or Sorority was nailed for Hazing because of an Alcohol overdose.

Does anyone know of a referenced case where an NIC Fraternity (which isn't also in the NPHC) or an NPC sorority was nailed for hazing because of short distance physical abuse.

Any truly psychological cases of hazing for any of the Fraternities?

That still doesn't answer the more basic question for me -- what's the point of this discussion?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by naraht

OK, lets phrase it in the contrapositive then. Does anyone know of any referenced case where an NPC Sorority or NPHC Fraternity or Sorority was nailed for Hazing because of an Alcohol overdose.

Does anyone know of a referenced case where an NIC Fraternity (which isn't also in the NPHC) or an NPC sorority was nailed for hazing because of short distance physical abuse.

Any truly psychological cases of hazing for any of the Fraternities?

I, with the help of several other people, have been keeping track of all charter revocations (that we hear about) in a stickied thread in this forum. The information there, of course, is probably not comprehensive as we're just relying on individuals to report cases they hear about, but it might be a good place to start.

If you really want to start to develop a sense for this stuff, I invite you to go back into the older threads on this forum and start compiling data in the way we've been doing in the charter revocations thread. Again, you're not going to get anything publishable, but if you want to get a good sense of what has been going on, that'd be where to start.

If your school's library has access to Lexis Nexis, you might consider doing a news article search for "hazing" and maybe type in a string of 'or' searches for greek letters, e.g.. "hazing" & alpha beta gamma delta...." That'd be better.

Or you can continue to talk about it in theory, just be aware that without concrete data, the discussion is of very little value as you're just regurgitating stereotypes and apparently expecting us to confirm those stereotypes as fact. Ain't gonna happen.

If you want to pursue this research and discuss it here, that could be a great thread. In fact, if you can compile previous years' data in the same way we're doing 2009-2010, I'll stick it to the top of the forum (assuming you also allow some sort of link to each incident report so it can be verified).

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Right. Hence my trainwreck prediction.

Nothing wrong with the thread in terms of being appropriate for the forum and within terms of service. And sure, some people like to have discussions on hazing. I just don't see value in this discussion, which is, as you say, based largely on stereotypes.

As I said in my last post, (just above this one) I think, if the OP is willing to compile some data, this could actually turn out to be a pretty interesting conversation. Otherwise, as you said, it's arguably appropriate and within the terms of the TOS (and the additional rules I made up for this forum), so it's not something I'm inclined to do anything about at this time.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Kevin

As I said in my last post, (just above this one) I think, if the OP is willing to compile some data, this could actually turn out to be a pretty interesting conversation. Otherwise, as you said, it's arguably appropriate and within the terms of the TOS (and the additional rules I made up for this forum), so it's not something I'm inclined to do anything about at this time.

I'm with you -- I never thought there was any reason for you or any other mod to do anything about this thread. Like I said, I just think it much more likely that this thread will result in a train wreck than in a valuable discussion.