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Old 04-13-2009, 08:52 AM
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Has he been treating other leaders with the same "respect" that he treated Saudi's King? I haven't really read anything about it.
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Old 04-13-2009, 09:14 AM
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Has he been treating other leaders with the same "respect" that he treated Saudi's King? I haven't really read anything about it.
Either way, It can't be ruled out that now he doesn't have any foreign relations experience...LOL
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Old 04-13-2009, 09:54 AM
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Old 04-13-2009, 03:16 PM
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On the morning talk show on our local rock station, they were discussing this. More people were pissed off that the White House lied and said he didn't bow, than the fact that he did.

Some called in with excuses for it. Lol one lady thinks he farted. One thinks that he had bad stomach cramping. Obviously they weren't being serious.
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Old 04-13-2009, 03:48 PM
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Heads of State do not "kow tow" to each other. A "court bow" (quick inclination of the head but not the shoulders) is the way it should be done. It conveys respect while the deep bow suggests subservience, which is why State Department Protocol advises against it.
The President is our Head of State so it was just an unfortunate faux pas. The intricate nature of diplomatic nuances is confusing enough to professional diplomats. The President is really new to this specific aspect of political life so there is a learning curve to be surmounted. I am confident he did not mean to imply subservience so he just needs better briefers to explain the nuances and not just try to tell him what to do.
Some time back I had the opportunity to meet several members of the British Royal Family on a few occasions when I was stationed in the UK. When I was presented to HM the first time I was in uniform so I came to attention and saluted. She nodded in return and seeing my Cavalry insignia asked if I rode. I replied that unfortunately I was serving with an armored cavalry regiment and there were very few opportunities for proper riding. Very informal yet in a very formal setting.
The second time was at Oxford. I was in civilian clothes so I stood straight, gave a quick nod of my head and waited until she extended her hand. Much to my surprise she asked me if I had found the opportunity to ride a bit since our last conversation. I did not see anyone prompt her and I was amazed that she remembered a brief conversation from several months earlier. Then, to finish me off completely, HRH Prince Philip cut in and suggested that perhaps something could be arranged for me to ride "whilst" at Oxford. He then asked if I had my "kit" with me or should he have his equerry organise something suitable.
Needless to say I was amazed and completely snowed. But then again, they have been at the game for many many years and know just how to stay formal while putting everyone at ease.

OK, bottom line. I didn't like seeing the President bow so low to a foreign head of state, but two things occur to me. First, let's cut him some slack, he has a lot to pick up on while running the country in a time of great challenges. Second, he is the President and while I hope he doesn't do this sort of thing all the time I figure he can set the rules since he IS the President.
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