Drug Testing for welfare recipients

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Honeykiss1974

Thank you for posting this. It's been said before in this thread but it doesn't hurt to say it again. Why fight against something that is not the root cause of welfare abuse - that is if reform is truly the reason?? But hey, if you guys think random drug testing will sock a blow to people on welfare who don't deserve it, more power to you. And I won't even bring up how the druggies that you and I work with everyday are passing drug test...sooo people who receive welfare can't figure that out too? Seriously, unless its not that hard to pass a UA.

And for the record DS, you can get people to attend courses with rules such as "don't attend the budget course, don't get your check".

and you can lead a horse to water but...who are they to tell welfare recipients how to spend money?

[I.A.S.K.]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

and you can lead a horse to water but...who are they to tell welfare recipients how to spend money?

They are the people giving them the money. Stipulations are attached to giving money. Its not new. Food Stamps can only be spent on food. If you are getting funds then you'll have to take the budgeting course. The issue here is that once the course is made mandatory only the people who are hell bent on not getting the message will be the ones who just wont budget.

I don't get why some people seem to be under the impression that people who get welfare would not be open to learning. They are. Sensible people do sensible things. Once they learn how to budget they will budget. If they dont know how then they wont.

Its true that you can lead a horse to water but you cant him/her drink, but you cannot expect a horse to drink water you have not led him/her to.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by I.A.S.K.

I never said it wasnt acceptable to consider both. In this situation only one is being considered (testing). In my opinion the one that should be the priority is efficiency. I believe that drug testing will not increase efficeincy thus it will be counter productive and should be avoided.

Ahh ok gotcha. Sorry about that. I just really find it unfortunate that there are people who are really struggling and really trying. If they did drug testing, and stopped giving to those who tested positive or are caught dealing, maybe there'd be more to give to those who really do deserve it.

I feel the same about unemployment. I went to our local unemployment place (Michigan Works) and there was a girl, not more than 18, filing for unemployment. It really pissed me off because when I was 18, I was working at an ice cream parlor, followed by a part time job at a hair salon. I never would have dreamed about filing unemployment back then because at that age there are so many different jobs... fast food, KMart, Target, etc. **all of which are hiring** My point is, I'm on unemployment because I got "laid off" and I am actively seeking a job everyday... but I have known people who receive unemployment who sit on their ass everyday, not looking for a job, who go shopping every chance they get.

I see that the same as the welfare thing. There are those who deserve and there are those who don't. How do you weed them out?

[I.A.S.K.]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

I see that the same as the welfare thing. There are those who deserve and there are those who don't. How do you weed them out?

I think that you can weed the bad seeds out by creating an effiecient system. If under an efficient system (where there is education, training, etc.) a person is making no progress at all then it is pretty safe to say that this person has no desire to better themselves and intends or wants to be dependent on the "system".