Drug Testing for welfare recipients

[I.A.S.K.]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

It's about damn time!!!!! And make them get on birth control or tie their tubes!!!

I know someone on welfare. She's had a few jobs and walked out.(fast food) She has a few. It's not our fault that you're lazy. Why should we have to pay for people like this?

I find this incredibly annoying. Make who get on birth control? And of course because you know someone that makes all of "them" lazy.

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

sexist....LOL

Yup it was!

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

I oppose this measure, it will only make things worse for everyone in those communities, will add to the already sky-high costs of some of these programs, adding extra staff, etc.

Kevin, you have a good point, but I don't really think that adding more government programs on top of government programs that have already been "tweaked" by just about every congress since they began, will work to help fix said government programs. It just seems like more red tape that eventually people will find loopholes in/their way around.

^ I agree. I think that it will just wind up being a waste of money. Money that could be put to much better use.

[BaltoAlphaPsi]

Originally Posted by I.A.S.K.

I find this incredibly annoying. Make who get on birth control? And of course because you know someone that makes all of "them" lazy.

Yup it was!

^ I agree. I think that it will just wind up being a waste of money. Money that could be put to much better use.

BUT! if in the end we save money by not giving it to the mass amounts of druggies....

[I.A.S.K.]

Originally Posted by BaltoAlphaPsi

BUT! if in the end we save money by not giving it to the mass amounts of druggies....

It is not likely that we will, in the end, save money but cutting all the druggies out of welfare. I think there's a very large misconception that the majority of people on welfare are abusing it. Not true. And to be honest how many strung out druggies are coherent enough to continue to meet the requirements to get welfare? If you're strung out then it is not very likely that you're up on your paper work or doing what you're supposed to to get your money. Hell most druggies are so far gone that they barely remember to get the damn check out of the mail box. The only people that this could possibly hurt is the children. Parents get taken off of welfare because they're irresponsible then the little bit of funds that the kids were getting disappears, but the need that the kids have does not.

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by I.A.S.K.

It is not likely that we will, in the end, save money but cutting all the druggies out of welfare. I think there's a very large misconception that the majority of people on welfare are abusing it. Not true. And to be honest how many strung out druggies are coherent enough to continue to meet the requirements to get welfare? If you're strung out then it is not very likely that you're up on your paper work or doing what you're supposed to to get your money. Hell most druggies are so far gone that they barely remember to get the damn check out of the mail box. The only people that this could possibly hurt is the children. Parents get taken off of welfare because they're irresponsible then the little bit of funds that the kids were getting disappears, but the need that the kids have does not.

^^I agree, I think it punishes people (children and other dependents) who really aren't the ones that should be.

And, time out, I think missed something....are these state law-makers calling for state-reform? Or delegations from 8 states calling for Federal reform? because, from the way I read it, it seemed like state-lawmakers were calling for Federal reform.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by I.A.S.K.

I find this incredibly annoying. Make who get on birth control? And of course because you know someone that makes all of "them" lazy.

Yup it was!

^ I agree. I think that it will just wind up being a waste of money. Money that could be put to much better use.

The lazy person I was talking about is the person I know... who is lazy and doesn't want to work.

I'm sick of hearing about people on welfare popping out baby after baby (sometimes multiple fathers) and they just end up getting more money. They don't care about having safe sex or trying to get on their feet before bringing another baby into this world.

And when I say "people on welfare" I don't mean all welfare recipients.

[I.A.S.K.]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

The lazy person I was talking about is the person I know... who is lazy and doesn't want to work.

I'm sick of hearing about people on welfare popping out baby after baby (sometimes multiple fathers) and they just end up getting more money. They don't care about having safe sex or trying to get on their feet before bringing another baby into this world.

And when I say "people on welfare" I don't mean all welfare recipients.

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really? I dont get it. To me all people on welfare are welfare recipients and all welfare recipients are people on welfare.
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That was my point. Most of the people who complain about welfare base their complaints on the people they know or the people they've seen which is unrealisitc. Did DS see every woman who got a check on the first in his shoe store? No. Were most of the women he saw druggies? Probably not. So is it realistic to say that because he worked in that shoe store and dealt with those few women that this is how most/all welfare recipients are? No.

I swear some people act like welfare is a damn prize. Most people on welfare would rather not have it. There are many more issues with welfare than just the person's personal issues. Anyone ever think of the fact that if you are on welfare and you get a job (working for minimum wage) then the amount of welfare you get is decreased by such sufficient amounts that it at a point becomes less efficient for you to work. If a person works min. wage jobs they cannot make enough to support themselves far less themselves and children. When the welfare you're getting is worth more than you can make working what do you do? Keep working until ish hits the fan and you wind up on welfare again or quit working and keep welfare? Economics will tell you that each person acts in their own best interest to maximize utility, thus a person with any sense would quit working and remain on welfare. Why? Its the best option. This senario is created by the dumbass policies that we currently have regarding welfare. Some people get outraged about welfare recipients dependency on the system, but they are not outraged about living wage issues and the policies that make welfare a cripling and dependent system.

So, dont waste money trying to root out druggies which are the minority in the system. Reform the system to subsidize low wage workers and provide education and training so that workers can increase their utility and earn a wage that will enable them to care for themselves and their families.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by I.A.S.K.

Economics will tell you that each person acts in their own best interest to maximize utility, thus a person with any sense would quit working and remain on welfare.

This is demonstrably false using the definition of "utility" that you're alluding to.

Originally Posted by I.A.S.K.

So, dont waste money trying to root out druggies which are the minority in the system. Reform the system to subsidize low wage workers and provide education and training so that workers can increase their utility and earn a wage that will enable them to care for themselves and their families.

Why is it either/or?

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by I.A.S.K.

So, dont waste money trying to root out druggies which are the minority in the system. Reform the system ...

I would think that "rooting out druggies" IS a type of reformation.

[madmax]

Do away with welfare. Problem solved. Welfare recipients are a waste of good air.

[DaemonSeid]

And then what, genius?

Here is the hard part, you do away with welfare and then you have millions who are un (and under) qualified to work, so what do you do with them?

File for unemployment?

It's not that easy to "just do away with it"

As much as I hate seeing people taking advantage of the system, if you just kick a few million people ('trailer trash' and 'hoods rats' alike) off the roles, then the govt will have a much more dangerous precedent they are setting.

[madmax]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

And then what, genius?

Here is the hard part, you do away with welfare and then you have millions who are un (and under) qualified to work, so what do you do with them?

File for unemployment?

It's not that easy to "just do away with it"

As much as I hate seeing people taking advantage of the system, if you just kick a few million people ('trailer trash' and 'hoods rats' alike) off the roles, then the govt will have a much more dangerous precedent they are setting.

They will have to get off their lazy asses get jobs like the rest of the planet. They probabley won't get good jobs but that is their problem for thinking they were going to be rappers or NBA stars and not going to school.

They won't be eligible for unemployment. You have to first pay in to collect.

The trailer trash and the hoodrats will end up doing the jobs that the illegals are now doing. If they got jobs it would actually be good for the economy. There would be more money coming in and less going out.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by madmax

They will have to get off their lazy asses get jobs like the rest of the planet. They probabley won't get good jobs but that is their problem for thinking they were going to be rappers or NBA stars and not going to school.

They won't be eligible for unemployment. You have to first pay in to collect.

The trailer trash and the hoodrats will end up doing the jobs that the illegals are now doing. If they got jobs it would actually be good for the economy. There would be more money coming in and less going out.

And what jobs are those being that everyone from top to bottom are losing them? Not to mention if a good portion of these folks are undereducated and unqualified, what job can they possibly hope to take that would ALSO equate to them having a good standard of living?

"Rappers and NBA stars..."

And whomever asked earlier why I wanted to know about stereotyping people on welfareand what this had to do with this thread, this is what I was talking about.

this is where the whole line of convo goes south...

ne'er mind...just say nothing. I forgot what I was talking to.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I forgot what I was talking to.

How? I've come to expect the "blacks=amoral lazy Democrat" line from that character.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

How? I've come to expect the "blacks=amoral lazy Democrat" line from that character.

yeah...my bad for the slip up...punish me.

[madmax]

They won't have a good standard of living. Who cares? They don't have a good standard of living on welfare either. That is life.


What jobs? Like I said before they won't get good jobs but that is their problem. They can get low paying jobs picking tomatos for all I care. I would rather they work for minimum than sit home for minimum.

There are probably some decent jobs too. There are plenty of jobs in healthcare, nursing, energy. I think there is a about a half a million openings for nurses. There are jobs in energy too and the good thing about those jobs is you can't offshore them.

The problem with jobs is you have to work. Most of the welfare recipients are allergic to work. In da hood they are considered sellouts to da man if they go to school and have a job. The welfare recipients are just slackards milking the system. They don't work even when the economy is booming. They should be cutoff cold turkey.

Half of the slackards don't even take care of their own kids. That right there says it all. They are a waste of good air.