Drug Testing for welfare recipients

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by nikki1920

The reasons you have generations of families in housing projects and on welfare are a lot more varied than that, munchkin.

That's why I said:

"That's one of the reasons we have generations of families living in housing projects and on welfare,"

and not

"That's the reason we have generations of families living in housing projects and on welfare."

[nikki1920]

I meant to say that it's not as simplistic as you are making it out to be.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by nikki1920

Medicaid, by definition, is a program for children under 19, pregnant women (ends 60 days after birth for mom unless she meets the income requirements) and FAMILIES with low or no income AND for adults over age 65, legally blind or legally disabled (i.e, disability determined by Social Security Administration). There is also a program that helps those who have Breast, Cerivcal and Ovarian cancer. There maybe programs that are available for people who aren't qualified for Medicaid. Again, I can only go by what we do here in my county in Va. Your friend should start at the health department and ask if there are any insurance programs for people who can't get Medicaid.

The reasons you have generations of families in housing projects and on welfare are a lot more varied than that, munchkin.

ADC doesn't exist anymore, the name of that program has been changed to TANF (Temporary Aid to Needy Families)

Maybe I'm thinking of Medicare?

[nikki1920]

Medicare is for people over 65.

I know, its all confusing. Add to that all the acronyms and policies and ages and it's a wonder that I haven't needed more professional help!! lol.

[AGDee]

I know of single people with no dependents who are on Medicaid but they have nothing.. no house, no savings, no car, etc. Since Medicaid is administered by the state, I imagine the rules change from state to state with it.

The other people who can get Medicare are people on Social Security Disability.

[madmax]

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I know of single people with no dependents who are on Medicaid but they have nothing.. no house, no savings, no car, etc. Since Medicaid is administered by the state, I imagine the rules change from state to state with it.

The other people who can get Medicare are people on Social Security Disability.
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I bet they have a cell phone, rims, HD TV and an X-box.

[AGDee]

No, they don't have any of those things

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by madmax

I bet they have a cell phone, rims, HD TV and an X-box.

True story- Last week I was at a Wal-mart neighborhood market and the lady in front of me used a Lone Star Card ( Food stamps in Texas) in the checkout. I was only buying some steaks for dinner so I walked out right behind her, and saw her getting into a brand new Caddilac CTS. For reals. I think the whole welfare debate is a no win situation, especially with the economy going to hell more people are going to be defrauding the system.

[madmax]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

True story- Last week I was at a Wal-mart neighborhood market and the lady in front of me used a Lone Star Card ( Food stamps in Texas) in the checkout. I was only buying some steaks for dinner so I walked out right behind her, and saw her getting into a brand new Caddilac CTS. For reals. I think the whole welfare debate is a no win situation, especially with the economy going to hell more people are going to be defrauding the system.

She probably didn't have insurance. That is they way they roll.

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

True story- Last week I was at a Wal-mart neighborhood market and the lady in front of me used a Lone Star Card ( Food stamps in Texas) in the checkout. I was only buying some steaks for dinner so I walked out right behind her, and saw her getting into a brand new Caddilac CTS. For reals. I think the whole welfare debate is a no win situation, especially with the economy going to hell more people are going to be defrauding the system.

Given today's economic world, this may not be a situation of fraud, but moreso a case of living beyond one's means and having the bottom fall out (job loss).

But I see what you're saying though because I do know some people who sell the use of their card for cash. It could have been that too (her using someone else's card).

[nikki1920]

Originally Posted by AGDee

I know of single people with no dependents who are on Medicaid but they have nothing.. no house, no savings, no car, etc. Since Medicaid is administered by the state, I imagine the rules change from state to state with it.

The other people who can get Medicare are people on Social Security Disability.

Medicare is for people aged 65 and older. The rules for Medicaid don't change from state to state.

[AGDee]

Both of my parents had Medicare before age 65 because they were disabled and on SSD so I know that sometimes happens prior to age 65. From the Social Security site: http://www.socialsecurity.gov/pubs/10029.html#part10 You will get Medicare coverage automatically after you have received disability benefits for two years.

Michigan's Medicaid website says this: Aged, Blind, Disabled

Medicaid is available to persons who are aged, blind, or disabled. There are income and asset tests. If the income is over the income limit, persons may incur medical expenses that equal or exceed the deductible and still qualify for this program. Most beneficiaries are enrolled in a Medicaid health plan and receive a comprehensive package of health care benefits including vision, dental, and mental health services. Contact the local MDHS office in your county to apply for this program.
http://www.michigan.gov/mdch/0,1607,...00.html#Adults

[nikki1920]

Just FYI, for SNAP benefits, we dont look at resources, such as vehicles.
/soapbox/rant
If we were able to do that, a lot of people would be denied for being over resources. I am driving a 2000 Jeep, I work full time and am barely making it. It pisses me off to see some of my clients who claim to not be working driving 2009 model whatevers.
/end soapbox/rant

[Kevin]

madmax, as right-of-center as I tend to be, what I see above are a bunch of nonsense generalizations and stereotypes.

I don't think it's really helpful (or productive) to focus on the immorality of poverty or who is at fault or any of that. I also think that cutting people off of what in many places has become a way of life and subsistence in some sort of fell swoop is not only impracticable, but in many cases, inhumane. For better or worse, we've created an expectancy that certain folks in certain situations get cash.

To suddenly cut off the supply of cash for these folks is simply not doable -- not unless you want the working people in society to experience some major repercussions -- think urban instability, unrest, massive crime, etc.

Want to force folks to work? Great. I'm all for it. Society is going to be bearing the cost of poverty one way or the other -- whether it's in welfare checks or prisons. Hopefully the states and the feds can get together and figure out the most efficient way to manage this problem.

[RU OX Alum]

Except that addicts being cut-off cold turkey tend to be delusional to the point of violence, whether directed at themselves, or others. I'd rather have a 50+ well-fare line than 50+ addicts all crashing and tearing their skin off at the same time. I hear about "social responspility" from both the right and left, but letting that many people crash out that hard in such concentrated numbers is asking for trouble, if not a full scale riot.

Not only would this add to the cost of a program that is I feel is admistered at the wrong level of government (I think it ought to be left up to the member-states), but would add to the size/scope of that government at all.

And face it, people would come up with a way to cheat, this government program.

A cracked-out government program that is choked up with red tape and buecracy will probably not be cured by more levels of red-tape and buerocracy.

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