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Old 03-16-2009, 10:38 AM
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Whether its' a crime depends on the defendant's mental state when he did what he did. (I say that word meaning perpetrator, 'alleged perpetrator,' suspect, person who did the bad thing, or as my crim law prof would have said it "Clem" [because it was always Clem in our class hypos].)

When I say mental state, I also say that for lack of a better word, but here, mental state means one of 4 things, all of which have real legal meanings: [cut paste from wiki because I couldn't do a better job]
  • Purposefully - the actor has the "conscious object" of engaging in conduct and believes and hopes that the attendant circumstances exist.
  • Knowingly - the actor is certain that his conduct will lead to the result.
  • Recklessly - the actor is aware that the attendant circumstances exist, but nevertheless engages in the conduct that a "law-abiding person" would have refrained from.
  • Negligently - the actor is unaware of the attendant circumstances and the consequences of his conduct, but a "reasonable person" would have been aware
  • Strict liability - the actor engaged in conduct and his mental state is irrelevant
All of those mental states will, with the right [or wrong] acts and set of facts get you put in the pokey.

As for negligent homicide, which is the crime you might be talking about if the actor is negligent, meaning the actor is unaware of the attendant circumstances and the consequences of his conduct, but a "reasonable person" would have been aware, then if that conduct results in the death of another person, yes, that's going to be a crime.

Now, will it result in jail time? Prison? A suspended sentence? That depends on the prosecutor, the judge, the defense lawyer and in rare cases, the jury. Most likely, those folks are going to be looking at how negligent you were, what the state laws say about negligent homicide, or whether you were even negligent in killing someone. Probably, a case where you killed someone while going 55 in a 45 will not be as bad as killing someone by driving an 18-wheeler while on PCP.

ETA: The conclusion should be painfully obvious as to what happens in the areas above negligence, i.e., knowingly, intentionally, recklessly; so I didn't discuss 'em.

Here are two hypos so you can see the difference:

1) Clem is driving, a person runs out into the street right in front of him. Clem had no way to see them coming, they shot out from between two parked cars. Though Clem is obeying all of the traffic laws and being otherwise reasonably prudent, he still runs the person over and they die. Result? Probably no crime.

2) Clem, again, is driving. He's merging into traffic on the interstate. He fails to obey a yield sign. By doing so, he causes a wreck which results in the death of another person. Result? Negligent homicide -- because failure to obey the yield sign amounts to negligence.

This all depends on state law of course. Also, it should be noted that I'm defining terms, not giving legal advice.
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Old 03-18-2009, 06:29 PM
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These kids went to the same high school I graduated from

http://www.freep.com/article/2009031...0317005/?imw=Y
I thought of you when I heard about this. They interviewed the daughter the other day and she was standing in the door to her house with some too-small tank top with her belly showing and baggy sweats. Then they interviewed her yesterday leaving the hospital her mom is at and she was wearing a green tshirt and St Patricks Day beads. Wow. You're mom just KILLED 4 innocent teenagers and you're out celebrating a drinking holiday. Classy.
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Old 03-18-2009, 09:04 PM
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I thought of you when I heard about this. They interviewed the daughter the other day and she was standing in the door to her house with some too-small tank top with her belly showing and baggy sweats. Then they interviewed her yesterday leaving the hospital her mom is at and she was wearing a green tshirt and St Patricks Day beads. Wow. You're mom just KILLED 4 innocent teenagers and you're out celebrating a drinking holiday. Classy.
This may sound stupid, but is St. Patrick's day just a drinking holiday?

No doubt your assessment of the chick here is fine. I just think of St. Patrick's Day differently, with kind of more innocence. Shamrocks, etc.
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Old 03-19-2009, 09:31 AM
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This may sound stupid, but is St. Patrick's day just a drinking holiday?

No doubt your assessment of the chick here is fine. I just think of St. Patrick's Day differently, with kind of more innocence. Shamrocks, etc.
Unfortunately yes people in this town have made the celebration of a saint a reason to go out, pretend they're Irish, and get as drunk as possible as early as possible.

Maybe she wasn't out drinking. I don't drink but I still went to the bar dressed in green with beads and all. But had my mom just murdered people and was now in the hospital, you better believe I wouldn't be dressed to celebrate. How disrespectful to those families.
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Old 03-19-2009, 10:45 AM
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Unfortunately yes people in this town have made the celebration of a saint a reason to go out, pretend they're Irish, and get as drunk as possible as early as possible.

Maybe she wasn't out drinking. I don't drink but I still went to the bar dressed in green with beads and all. But had my mom just murdered people and was now in the hospital, you better believe I wouldn't be dressed to celebrate. How disrespectful to those families.
that reminds me of a Dr. Phil episode where the guy i think hit and killed someone and for that halloween before the trial he dressed up as a prisoner...

...the judge threw the book at him. hard.
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Old 03-19-2009, 10:32 PM
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that reminds me of a Dr. Phil episode where the guy i think hit and killed someone and for that halloween before the trial he dressed up as a prisoner...

...the judge threw the book at him. hard.
R u serious? Wow, that's being really stupid.
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Old 03-20-2009, 10:09 AM
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Unfortunately yes people in this town have made the celebration of a saint a reason to go out, pretend they're Irish, and get as drunk as possible as early as possible.
That's a lot of towns.
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Old 03-20-2009, 10:37 AM
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That's a lot of towns.
Haha, yeah...Boston and Chicago spring to mind.
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Old 03-21-2009, 12:56 AM
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Haha, yeah...Boston and Chicago spring to mind.
Happy Evacuation Day!!!

Boston actually has two reasons to celebrate, so I understand them going nuts.

I was actually in Bean Town this time last year. I learned what a "bubbler" was. We stayed in Fenway, but I tended to make my way to the Peterboroughs or Mission Hill when I could get away. Brookline Ave was nice. Commonwealth Ave is the same as in Richmond but busier because just more populous generally, but about the same. Yay Boston. Anyway, yeah, that was pretty much my contribution. I hope you and your wife had a great one. (st pats/evacutation day)
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