Muslim is asked to get out of bank line

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by moe.ron

How is that relevant to the topic at hand? She is not in another country. She is an American who is a Muslim and what other country does is none of our concern when discussing this case.

I know, but I was asking because this country was founded on Christian principles. The Muslim religion was brought here by other cultures. It doesn't matter because I read PM Mama's post after I posted. She already answered my question.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

I know, but I was asking because this country was founded on Christian principles. The Muslim religion was brought here by other cultures. It doesn't matter because I read PM Mama's post after I posted. She already answered my question.

but many americans DON'T follow other country's rules.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

I know, but I was asking because this country was founded on Christian principles. The Muslim religion was brought here by other cultures. It doesn't matter because I read PM Mama's post after I posted. She already answered my question.

This is misleading at best. The nation was founded on Christian principles but not Christian rules - as such, the fact that Islam came comparatively later to the party is wholly irrelevant (and again, misleading). You're knocking down a straw man.

All that matters here is whether her right to freely exercise her religious beliefs was violated. It does not appear that was the case, but I would still encourage the woman to find another bank.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

This is misleading at best. The nation was founded on Christian principles but not Christian rules - as such, the fact that Islam came comparatively later to the party is wholly irrelevant (and again, misleading). You're knocking down a straw man.

All that matters here is whether her right to freely exercise her religious beliefs was violated. It does not appear that was the case, but I would still encourage the woman to find another bank.

o.k. good point. I didn't see it like that.

I agree, if she can't follow the rules just like everyone else, then she should find another bank. Why should she be an exception?

[SWTXBelle]

I wonder if an orthodox jew would be allowed to wear his hat? Actually, upon reflection, the bank would end up not chosing to serve a fair number of religious and ethnic groups with this policy.

[CutiePie2000]

I think that the Canadian response to this would be that we accomodate people to the point where it becomes an "undue hardship" (nods to HR Professor). Is the head scarf undue hardship? Hard to say.....

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

Exactly. You don't wait until a security concern walks through the door, goes through the line, and then make an issue. She should have been stopped at the door and informed of the policy the first time it happened.

I agree. I have seen security guards stand at the door and request that guys remove their ball caps, motorcycle helmets, etc.

If this goes to court (and it probably will), if her face was unobstructed, I would say that she will 'win' the case. If her face was partially obstructed (and therefore, the bank branch cameras could not get a clear shot of her face), then I would say that the bank will win.

That's basically where these "rules" are stemming from.

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

I wonder if an orthodox jew would be allowed to wear his hat? Actually, upon reflection, the bank would end up not chosing to serve a fair number of religious and ethnic groups with this policy.

Yeah, what about old school nuns in habits?

[CutiePie2000]

Oooh....that's true. And even some Greek Orthodox women? You don't see them around a lot but some of them do cover the hair, depending on the circumstance.

[MSKKG]

Originally Posted by CutiePie2000

Oooh....that's true. And even some Greek Orthodox women? You don't see them around a lot but some of them do cover the hair, depending on the circumstance.

Except for Eastern Orthodox nuns who are covered at all times, the only time a woman's hair is covered is during services.

[tri deezy]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

I know, but I was asking because this country was founded on Christian principles. The Muslim religion was brought here by other cultures. It doesn't matter because I read PM Mama's post after I posted. She already answered my question.

Many of our prominent founders actually considered themselves deists. Kind of like agnostic, I guess. Not as strictly religious as people assume the signers of the constitution would be. Totally off topic. The end.