Obama's Rhetoric is the Real Catastrophe

[agzg]

I wouldn't agree with that - it's not like he was a puppet and you certainly can't go by the movie W.. It just seems that there was not a lot of diversity of ideals (at least on the points that the Bush Presidency will be most remembered for - foreign policy and national security) and he sometimes just seemed unsure of what he was saying. But, that could be just his speaking method.

I'd think since none of us were in the Oval Office during the Bush Administration we can't speak definitively on whether or not he was bullied. Cheney may not have been the mastermind, maybe he just looks too menacing for anyone to believe he was a big softy - we just don't know.

Although I really dislike Paul Wolfowitz, and some of the stuff coming out of the Oval Office I could just picture him saying - ick.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

I wouldn't agree with that - it's not like he was a puppet and you certainly can't go by the movie W..

That allegation--that Cheney was really the one holding the strings--is several years old, and therefore predates the movie W. I think it's simplistic, but not exactly incorrect.

During the 2000 elections, I went to a speech by a PP doctor, and he was getting us all fired up about the threat to Roe v. Wade. He said, "George W. Bush may be personally stupid, but he has surrounded himself with the nation's smartest conservative minds." Of course, all presidents do that to some extent, but Bush was acutely aware of his shortcomings and selected such people as Cheney and Rice to help him out; they probably did more than their counterparts in other administrations.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

I wouldn't agree with that - it's not like he was a puppet and you certainly can't go by the movie W.. It just seems that there was not a lot of diversity of ideals (at least on the points that the Bush Presidency will be most remembered for - foreign policy and national security) and he sometimes just seemed unsure of what he was saying. But, that could be just his speaking method.

I'd think since none of us were in the Oval Office during the Bush Administration we can't speak definitively on whether or not he was bullied. Cheney may not have been the mastermind, maybe he just looks too menacing for anyone to believe he was a big softy - we just don't know.

Although I really dislike Paul Wolfowitz, and some of the stuff coming out of the Oval Office I could just picture him saying - ick.

I'm confused. It seems like you are contradicting your own statement.

And I don't recall anyone mentioning the movie, W.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

I'm confused. It seems like you are contradicting your own statement.

And I don't recall anyone mentioning the movie, W.

No. I said it seemed like his cabinet had more to do with his policies than he actually did, but none of us can say definitively if that's true.

I don't get what's so confusing.

And I mentioned the movie W.. Heaven forbid I make a reference to something that was not mentioned before. Have you seen it? The point of it was that he was fully bullied by his cabinet.