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03-04-2009, 06:14 PM
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I think that's a bit of an overgeneralization...although your characterization of the Republican party as the "hydra" kind of hints at what your conclusions would be anyway, right?
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So, who really 'speaks' for the GOP?
Who is in charge?
Because if it's supposed to Mr. Steele, he is really doing a piss poor job at it so far.
I will call it like I see it without going into a prolonged debate.
I don't think there is any unity in the GOP right now.
I don't think everyone is on the same page.
I don't really think they right now which direction they need to take.
At this rate, if the GOP keeps doing what it's doing, they may as well settle in for a nice long 8 to 12.
...yes, I said 12...
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03-04-2009, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid
So, who really 'speaks' for the GOP?
Who is in charge?
Because if it's supposed to Mr. Steele, he is really doing a piss poor job at it so far.
I will call it like I see it without going into a prolonged debate.
I don't think there is any unity in the GOP right now.
I don't think everyone is on the same page.
I don't really think they right now which direction they need to take.
At this rate, if the GOP keeps doing what it's doing, they may as well settle in for a nice long 8 to 12.
...yes, I said 12...
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Who's second in charge of the Democratic Party (behind Obama, obviously)?
Most of the time, the central leadership of the party does not have a singular speaker or voice - especially the Democratic party. Seemed to work out fine this time around, huh?
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03-04-2009, 06:32 PM
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Who's second in charge of the Democratic Party (behind Obama, obviously)?
Most of the time, the central leadership of the party does not have a singular speaker or voice - especially the Democratic party. Seemed to work out fine this time around, huh?
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Yeah how about that, but the same can't really be said about the GOP.
My next question and be honest.
Do you think that Michael Steele is the qualified to be chair of the Republican party?
Why or why not?
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03-04-2009, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid
So, who really 'speaks' for the GOP?
Who is in charge?
Because if it's supposed to Mr. Steele, he is really doing a piss poor job at it so far.
I will call it like I see it without going into a prolonged debate.
I don't think there is any unity in the GOP right now.
I don't think everyone is on the same page.
I don't really think they right now which direction they need to take.
At this rate, if the GOP keeps doing what it's doing, they may as well settle in for a nice long 8 to 12.
...yes, I said 12...
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Haha...oh DS, you crazy anti-Republican you...
Don't worry, I won't force you to get into a prolonged debate; I understand we all have other things we need to be doing in our lives. And, I realize the time-honored tradition on GC of making provocative, out there statements (such as say comparing the Republicans to a multi-headed monster), then qualifying the statement by discouraging any further debate.
I suppose if someone referred to the Democrats as Godzilla, a singular monster laying waste to the countryside, that too wouldn't merit debate...but I digress.
I will say that your comment about 8-12 years pre-supposes that President Obama will be successful enough to stave off any possible Republican challengers, no matter how fractured the party. Of course, that's still an open question.
I would only argue that Steele is no more of the voice of the Republican party than Howard Dean would be, or that Rush is no more the voice of the party than Al Franken. There's no one "voice" of a national party (other than, arguably, what's written in the party platform, and I still think that would be an overgeneralization).
But, as you said, no debate, so I'll drop it there.
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03-04-2009, 10:48 PM
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About the CPAC video: If that's the most inflammatory stuff that went down, it must have actually been a lot better than I thought it would be.
You know how mainstream media bias is my favorite issue?
I think making Rush or the nuttier conservatives represent the GOP in the public mind serves a larger end while at the same time confirming the bias of the press core and die hard Democrats.
Wouldn't it have made more sense to look for representatives of the GOP at the Republican Governors Convention?
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03-04-2009, 11:12 PM
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That fat man has a female cat...
That's about the only stuh he gets these days...
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03-12-2009, 08:10 PM
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Steele 'choice' gaffe sparks GOP revolt
Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele’s series of gaffes turned into something more serious Thursday, as a leaders of a pillar of the GOP — the anti-abortion movement — shifted into open revolt over comments in an interview with the men’s magazine GQ.
Steele called abortion an “individual choice” and opposed a constitutional ban on abortion in the Feb. 24 interview, which appeared online Wednesday night. He echoed the language of the abortion rights movement and appearing to contradict his own heated assertions during his campaign for chairman that he is a committed soldier in the anti-abortion movement.
While he issued a statement Thursday affirming his opposition to abortion and his support for a constitutional amendment banning it, the damage appeared to be done as leading social conservatives publicly attacked the embattled chairman.
“Comments attributed to Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele are very troubling, and despite his clarification today the party stands to lose many of its members and a great deal of its support in the trenches of grass-roots politics,” former Gov. Mike Huckabee (R-Ark.) said in a posting on his blog. “For Chairman Steele to even infer that taking a life is totally left up to the individual is not only a reversal of Republican policy and principle, but it's a violation of the most basic of human rights — the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”
Former Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell, a conservative rival who ultimately backed Steele's bid for chairman, also lambasted him in a written statement.
“Chairman Steele needs to reread the Bible, the U.S. Constitution and the 2008 GOP Platform,” said Blackwell. “He then needs to get to work or get out of the way.”
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03-12-2009, 08:15 PM
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Hasn't he already backed off this statement?
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03-12-2009, 08:18 PM
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Hasn't he already backed off this statement?
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I don't know..he flip flops so many times, I cannot tell.
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03-12-2009, 08:16 PM
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Steele 'choice' gaffe sparks GOP revolt
Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele’s series of gaffes turned into something more serious Thursday, as a leaders of a pillar of the GOP — the anti-abortion movement — shifted into open revolt over comments in an interview with the men’s magazine GQ.
Steele called abortion an “individual choice” and opposed a constitutional ban on abortion in the Feb. 24 interview, which appeared online Wednesday night. He echoed the language of the abortion rights movement and appearing to contradict his own heated assertions during his campaign for chairman that he is a committed soldier in the anti-abortion movement.
While he issued a statement Thursday affirming his opposition to abortion and his support for a constitutional amendment banning it, the damage appeared to be done as leading social conservatives publicly attacked the embattled chairman.
“Comments attributed to Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele are very troubling, and despite his clarification today the party stands to lose many of its members and a great deal of its support in the trenches of grass-roots politics,” former Gov. Mike Huckabee (R-Ark.) said in a posting on his blog. “For Chairman Steele to even infer that taking a life is totally left up to the individual is not only a reversal of Republican policy and principle, but it's a violation of the most basic of human rights — the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”
Former Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell, a conservative rival who ultimately backed Steele's bid for chairman, also lambasted him in a written statement.
“Chairman Steele needs to reread the Bible, the U.S. Constitution and the 2008 GOP Platform,” said Blackwell. “He then needs to get to work or get out of the way.”
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Well, at least I can agree with Steele on this point. I know I'm naive in my hope that people will realize that abortion is really a non-issue (politically speaking).
I also hope that Huckabee is done running for national office - I'm annoyed he got so many votes the last time around. The party will never get anywhere if he holds a place of prominence.
ETA: Of course many of those people may have ended up voting for someone like that nut Baldwin. It probably wouldn't have mattered this time around, but who knows what will happen next election cycle.
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