Obama's Rhetoric is the Real Catastrophe

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by nate2512

Why wouldn't they just sit in their normal assigned seating?

I'm guessing because the Senate normally does not sit in that chamber.

[PhiGam]

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

Didn't IndyMac, WaMu, Lehman fail in September or October? To me, it just seems that Obama is in the right place at the wrong time.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

Didn't IndyMac, WaMu, Lehman fail in September or October? To me, it just seems that Obama is in the right place at the wrong time.

Every decision that he has made has led to even less investor confidence... namely the socialization of our banking system. He has already said that he's going to double the deficit THIS year. Investors do not like his policies at all, bottom line. The drop right after his election is undeniable.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

Didn't IndyMac, WaMu, Lehman fail in September or October? To me, it just seems that Obama is in the right place at the wrong time.

Or the wrong place at the wrong time depending on how you voted.

I tend to agree with you that Obama's being assigned blame for stuff that's mainly beyond his control and that some of the continuing economic drop is fall-out from policy, government activity, general failure to provide oversight, general willingness to regulate in the wrong way (take your pick) from before he was even in the Senate.

But, I don't think the stimulus bill was all that great and at some point when things don't start rebounding, Obama's going to own this one. (I'm oversimplifying by saying merely "stimulus bill". We could include all the proposed funding and regulation he's had a hand in as well and the strings attached to previous bailout funds that aren't proving popular.)

The fact that it's a Democratically controlled Congress with key long-term Democratic legislators who were players in some of the crisis areas, even when the Republicans were in control, might kind of at least double the pressure. There's no place to shift the blame in the public mind.

(I'm not really saying that I think Democrats are more responsible for the present situation, but at some point, especially considering everything that Bush was blamed for and the pattern that's established, the public is going to look to blame.)

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Or the wrong place at the wrong time depending on how you voted.

I tend to agree with you that Obama's being assigned blame for stuff that's mainly beyond his control and that some of the continuing economic drop is fall-out from policy, government activity, general failure to provide oversight, general willingness to regulate in the wrong way (take your pick) from before he was even in the Senate.

But, I don't think the stimulus bill was all that great and at some point when things don't start rebounding, Obama's going to own this one. (I'm oversimplifying by saying merely "stimulus bill". We could include all the proposed funding and regulation he's had a hand in as well and the strings attached to previous bailout funds that aren't proving popular.)

The fact that it's a Democratically controlled Congress with key long-term Democratic legislators who were players in some of the crisis areas, even when the Republicans were in control, might kind of at least double the pressure. There's no place to shift the blame in the public mind.

(I'm not really saying that I think Democrats are more responsible for the present situation, but at some point, especially considering everything that Bush was blamed for and the pattern that's established, the public is going to look to blame.)

Admittedly, I'm really upset by the amount of unfair blame and criticism that President Bush received while in office. Perhaps thats why I am going to blame everything that happens for the next eight years on Barack Obama.

[UGAalum94]

Eight years?

I would think it will be hard to get reelected if things haven't picked up pretty substantially.

Now, the GOP has to find someone to run by then who actually appeals to a lot of people. But, if things don't pick up, I can see people wanting to give a business friendly guy a try.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Now, the GOP has to find someone to run by then who actually appeals to a lot of people.

Then they need to get a muzzle on the CPAC crowd: CPAC After Party

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

Admittedly, I'm really upset by the amount of unfair blame and criticism that President Bush received while in office.

I thought I remember you not liking Bush too much when he was in office? Or am I confusing you with another poster?

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

Admittedly, I'm really upset by the amount of unfair blame and criticism that President Bush received while in office. Perhaps thats why I am going to blame everything that happens for the next eight years on Barack Obama.

I hope you're kidding when you say this because this is kind of ridiculous.

Bush didn't get as much criticism and blame as he deserved to get for his policies and decisions while he was in office.

I think people really need to just give Obama and this new administration time to fix the mess that was created. While I definitely believe God put him in office, I realize that this kind of thing won't be fixed overnight. And I think people also need to realize that this administration isn't perfect. Mistakes will be made. However, it is extremely unfair for people to be so judgmental about this administration when those same people tolerated an administration that basically stomped all over the constitutional rights of people in this country.

[PeppyGPhiB]

Have any of you been following what's happening with the EU over the last week or so? It is possible the EU might sever. They are in even worse shape than we are right now, and Gordon Brown is heading here to address OUR government tomorrow night. Word is that he might be suggesting the stimulus passed by congress isn't big enough, and that the EU will be looking to the U.S. to essentially bail them out. Some Internet chatter even suggests it's possible the UK could be taken over by U.S. rule if the EU should falter; I think that's maybe a little nutty, but nevertheless, it's chatter.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

I hope you're kidding when you say this because this is kind of ridiculous.

Bush didn't get as much criticism and blame as he deserved to get for his policies and decisions while he was in office.

I think people really need to just give Obama and this new administration time to fix the mess that was created. While I definitely believe God put him in office, I realize that this kind of thing won't be fixed overnight. And I think people also need to realize that this administration isn't perfect. Mistakes will be made. However, it is extremely unfair for people to be so judgmental about this administration when those same people tolerated an administration that basically stomped all over the constitutional rights of people in this country.

You realize how unrealistic the bolded part is, right? In other words, you're saying that people who supported Bush have no right to criticize Obama? Your statement seems to be of the same type as those who are saying "Well, Bush was the worst ever, so anything else is good."

It's not unfair for Bush supporters to criticize Obama, any more than it's unfair for Obama supporters to have criticized Bush. That's politics.

ETA: I disagree with a lot of what Bush did, and I can't say I'm his biggest supporter. But if you're going to start talking about fairness, it's unfair to silence a whole group of people because they supported the previous administration.

You're entitled to your opinion on the issues, but it bothers me when you say that people essentially don't have a right to criticize the administration.

I also never answered your previous point, on Congresspeople asking for the President's autograph. The red flag for me is that it just seems unprofessional, given their position. That's obviously a debatable point, but it raises a red flag in my mind, no matter whether they're asking for the autograph of Obama or Bush, Democrat or Republican.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

I hope you're kidding when you say this because this is kind of ridiculous.

Bush didn't get as much criticism and blame as he deserved to get for his policies and decisions while he was in office.

I think people really need to just give Obama and this new administration time to fix the mess that was created. While I definitely believe God put him in office, I realize that this kind of thing won't be fixed overnight. And I think people also need to realize that this administration isn't perfect. Mistakes will be made. However, it is extremely unfair for people to be so judgmental about this administration when those same people tolerated an administration that basically stomped all over the constitutional rights of people in this country.

Where do you live that you saw wide acceptance of Bush's policies?

What constitutionally granted rights of people in this country do you feel were stomped on? I'd prefer that you answered specifically rather than just "Patriot Act." It's gotten to be anti-Bush boilerplate language but what specifically grinds your gears?