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[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

I'm not a point of comparison, and you've shown yourself to be less than able in this thread anyway.

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You're right. You aren't a point of comparison..on anything worthwhile at least.

As far as YOU telling someone they have shown themselves as less than able...I'm curious as to why you always feel you are in a position to make such judgment calls. Who are you exactly?

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[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

You're right. You aren't a point of comparison..on anything worthwhile at least.

I know you were the smartest kid in your 5th grade class, and Mom always told you to be yourself, but that stopped . . . in 5th grade. You seem to have some difficulty adapting to a world in which other people are more intelligent and cogent than you are. Work on that.

Or, alternately, Occam's Razor could be wrong, and you could be right and EVERYONE else is stupid!

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

As far as YOU telling someone they have shown themselves as less than able...I'm curious as to why you always feel you are in a position to make such judgment calls. Who are you exactly?

I sincerely hope you're kidding, since you've proven to be one of the most judgmental individuals in this board's history (IRONY!), and you're the highest-ranking corporal in the IT'S MY OPINION Army.

Sadly, you're not.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

You're right. You aren't a point of comparison..on anything worthwhile at least.

As far as YOU telling someone they have shown themselves as less than able...I'm curious as to why you always feel you are in a position to make such judgment calls. Who are you exactly?

I think part of the problem, or at least the issue I have when I try to debate your points, is that you drop what I'll call a "debate atomic bomb." Essentially, you'll make your point, and then, in some way, you'll express that there's no other side of the argument, and that your statement should stand as the definitive last word. If someone tries to disagree with you, you either disparage them, or refuse to engage them in any sort of debate. Now, I know for a fact that you're dealing with some pretty intelligent people in this thread (one of whom, KSigRC, is a friend in real life and whom I know to be an incredibly smart person).

That's not making any judgment on your own intelligence, but it is making a judgment in how you've confronted debate in this thread and others. You don't have to accept their ideas, but if you're going to initiate debate, there has to be a little big of give and take, in an intellectual sense.

I guess my major point is that there are a lot of issues that are open to debate and interpretation. I'm not saying we should "agree to disagree" or any of that garbage, or that we should be changing our own views because someone brought up a contrary point, but if you're going to make a statement in a public forum, you have to be ready for the fact that there are intelligent and reasonable counterarguments out there. You can't just scream at the top of your lungs "This is how I feel, and that's the end of it."

Jumping off of what Sensuret said earlier, there are a bunch of smart people on this site (GeekyPenguin, Sensuret, DrPhil, nittanyalum, MysticCat, to name a few) who I know I don't agree with on every issue, or even on most issues. I know that I'm probably not going to change their views on most things, and their not going to change my views on most things. Yet, I respect the fact that they've obviously thought a lot about the issues, and that they can come at it in both an academic sense and a "real-world" sense.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

I think part of the problem, or at least the issue I have when I try to debate your points, is that you drop what I'll call a "debate atomic bomb." Essentially, you'll make your point, and then, in some way, you'll express that there's no other side of the argument, and that your statement should stand as the definitive last word. If someone tries to disagree with you, you either disparage them, or refuse to engage them in any sort of debate. Now, I know for a fact that you're dealing with some pretty intelligent people in this thread (one of whom, KSigRC, is a friend in real life and whom I know to be an incredibly smart person).

That's not making any judgment on your own intelligence, but it is making a judgment in how you've confronted debate in this thread and others. You don't have to accept their ideas, but if you're going to initiate debate, there has to be a little big of give and take, in an intellectual sense.

I guess my major point is that there are a lot of issues that are open to debate and interpretation. I'm not saying we should "agree to disagree" or any of that garbage, or that we should be changing our own views because someone brought up a contrary point, but if you're going to make a statement in a public forum, you have to be ready for the fact that there are intelligent and reasonable counterarguments out there. You can't just scream at the top of your lungs "This is how I feel, and that's the end of it."

Jumping off of what Sensuret said earlier, there are a bunch of smart people on this site (GeekyPenguin, Sensuret, DrPhil, nittanyalum, MysticCat, to name a few) who I know I don't agree with on every issue, or even on most issues. I know that I'm probably not going to change their views on most things, and their not going to change my views on most things. Yet, I respect the fact that they've obviously thought a lot about the issues, and that they can come at it in both an academic sense and a "real-world" sense.

I know you didn't mention her, but has anyone heard from Breathesgelatin lately?

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

I think part of the problem, or at least the issue I have when I try to debate your points, is that you drop what I'll call a "debate atomic bomb." Essentially, you'll make your point, and then, in some way, you'll express that there's no other side of the argument, and that your statement should stand as the definitive last word. If someone tries to disagree with you, you either disparage them, or refuse to engage them in any sort of debate. Now, I know for a fact that you're dealing with some pretty intelligent people in this thread (one of whom, KSigRC, is a friend in real life and whom I know to be an incredibly smart person).

That's not making any judgment on your own intelligence, but it is making a judgment in how you've confronted debate in this thread and others. You don't have to accept their ideas, but if you're going to initiate debate, there has to be a little big of give and take, in an intellectual sense.

I guess my major point is that there are a lot of issues that are open to debate and interpretation. I'm not saying we should "agree to disagree" or any of that garbage, or that we should be changing our own views because someone brought up a contrary point, but if you're going to make a statement in a public forum, you have to be ready for the fact that there are intelligent and reasonable counterarguments out there. You can't just scream at the top of your lungs "This is how I feel, and that's the end of it."

Jumping off of what Sensuret said earlier, there are a bunch of smart people on this site (GeekyPenguin, Sensuret, DrPhil, nittanyalum, MysticCat, to name a few) who I know I don't agree with on every issue, or even on most issues. I know that I'm probably not going to change their views on most things, and their not going to change my views on most things. Yet, I respect the fact that they've obviously thought a lot about the issues, and that they can come at it in both an academic sense and a "real-world" sense.

This would be all well and good if this really happened to be the case.

You and several others have negative reactions to EVERYTHING I say. And it is not because of what you accused me of doing.

You all may be very intelligent individuals, but I don't care for how you and some others think you are SUPERIOR in intellect to everyone else. You don't just respond that way to me. I have noticed it in your responses to others as well and I know all those other people don't have the same issues you accuse me of having. .

I think the bottom line is that you don't like the fact that your efforts at intimidation through mob mentality failed. Miserably. Yes, I have an opinion. Yes, my opinions are strong. I don't recall especially being adamant about being entitled to my opinion above all else, but I'm not going to necessarily back down if I feel I am right. You don't. Why should I?
And that brings me back to the entitlement issue. You and some others seem to feel that once you have spoken, that should change everyone's mind. We should all realize that compared to you we are blithering idiots and that your word is the gospel.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

I think the bottom line is that you don't like the fact that your efforts at intimidation through mob mentality failed. Miserably. Yes, I have an opinion. Yes, my opinions are strong. I don't recall especially being adamant about being entitled to my opinion above all else, but I'm not going to necessarily back down if I feel I am right. You don't. Why should I?

"Mob mentality?" Intimidation? People are disagreeing with you. How is that mob mentality? I don't think anyone is taking it that seriously.

I'm sure you've been in a classroom or work environment where someone makes a statement, and that statement elicits a number of dissenting opinions. Would you classify that as a "mob mentality?"

No one is saying you need to back down from your opinions - what they're saying is, if you're going to include yourself in a debate over the issues, then you have to expect that people may not like or agree with your opinions.

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

And that brings me back to the entitlement issue. You and some others seem to feel that once you have spoken, that should change everyone's mind. We should all realize that compared to you we are blithering idiots and that your word is the gospel.

That may be the source of the issue, because it seems like your posts are doing the exact same thing - some of your posts bring the message "if I agree with you, great, if I don't agree with you, then you're not worth the effort."

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

"Mob mentality?" Intimidation? People are disagreeing with you. How is that mob mentality? I don't think anyone is taking it that seriously.

I'm sure you've been in a classroom or work environment where someone makes a statement, and that statement elicits a number of dissenting opinions. Would you classify that as a "mob mentality?"

No one is saying you need to back down from your opinions - what they're saying is, if you're going to include yourself in a debate over the issues, then you have to expect that people may not like or agree with your opinions.




That may be the source of the issue, because it seems like your posts are doing the exact same thing - some of your posts bring the message "if I agree with you, great, if I don't agree with you, then you're not worth the effort."

When I reference mob mentality, I am not just talking about this thread. Don't be daft. It's more than mere disagreement on a point of view. You know that.

I fully expect people not to like my opinions at times. However, as I mentioned, the same group of people finds some way to make absurd, unnecessary comments in response to mine that really are not just intelligent disagreements.

As for the comment about someone not being worth the effort... as usual you have misread my statements. My point about someone not being worth the effort is in response to information about the fact that people directed their sigs at me. Behavior like that ISN'T worth ANY kind of effort because it's stupid. Some members on here accuse ME of not being able to handle a simple disagreement in opinion, but yet they disagree with me about something and change their sigs JUST to make jabs? So yes, apparently someone IS taking something THAT seriously. Based on that it doesn't seem like I'M the one with the problem.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

When I reference mob mentality, I am not just talking about this thread. Don't be daft. It's more than mere disagreement on a point of view. You know that.

I fully expect people not to like my opinions at times. However, as I mentioned, the same group of people finds some way to make absurd, unnecessary comments in response to mine that really are not just intelligent disagreements.

As for the comment about someone not being worth the effort... as usual you have misread my statements. My point about someone not being worth the effort is in response to information about the fact that people directed their sigs at me. Behavior like that ISN'T worth ANY kind of effort because it's stupid. Some members on here accuse ME of not being able to handle a simple disagreement in opinion, but yet they disagree with me about something and change their sigs JUST to make jabs? So yes, apparently someone IS taking something THAT seriously. Based on that it doesn't seem like I'M the one with the problem.

I'm kind of lost for words at this point. I would just note that perhaps I'm not the one being "daft" about all of this.

ETA: I don't know why my post has that little "thumbs down" signal.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

I'm kind of lost for words at this point. I would just note that perhaps I'm not the one being "daft" about all of this.

ETA: I don't know why my post has that little "thumbs down" signal.

Here lies the issue. You expect me to do self-reflection, but you refuse to consider doing the same.

I think we all enjoy a good debate. Goodness knows I like the fact that unlike a certain other board I'm a member of , we can actually discuss politics here. But I would appreciate you giving my opinions the same respect you want me to give yours. When you do that, I think everything will be quite cool.

I would also like to add that watching certain people get snarky on here is funny to me. I think quite a few of those individuals wouldn't have the balls to pop off like that in person.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

You and some others seem to feel that once you have spoken, that should change everyone's mind. We should all realize that compared to you we are blithering idiots and that your word is the gospel.

Are you looking at a computer screen or at a mirror? This statement seems to fit the way your posts come across to a tee.

(And just an FYI - this =/= me trying to show any superiority. This is just me making making an observation on the tone of your posts.)