Obama's Rhetoric is the Real Catastrophe

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

What are our realistic options?

Let the economy bottom out as soon as possible so we can pick up the pieces. Focus current funding on social services to get people through these difficult times. I understand that people don't want to lose what they have, but that's pretty inevitable at this point. The longer we keep extending the recession by using tax payer money, the worse the real bottom is going to be.

What are we really afraid of? Losing the so-called American Dream?

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

Let the economy bottom out as soon as possible so we can pick up the pieces. Focus current funding on social services to get people through these difficult times. I understand that people don't want to lose what they have, but that's pretty inevitable at this point. The longer we keep extending the recession by using tax payer money, the worse the real bottom is going to be.

What are we really afraid of? Losing the so-called American Dream?

It's really hard to shrink social services again once an "entitlement" has been created. (An entitlement is one of those things that always seems to be in the eye of the beholder.)

But my take on real estate sometimes approaches what you've said here. Yeah, it will suck to owe more on my moderate mortgage than my house my be worth when the market can't absorb the foreclosures without dropping prices. And yet, the idea of subsidizing mortgages for the people who got loans they couldn't afford so they can avoid foreclosure kind of make me fell like a sucker. Why are the folks who bought homes they could afford paying either way?

I suppose I should just be glad that my husband and I are employed and can pay.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

Let the economy bottom out as soon as possible so we can pick up the pieces. Focus current funding on social services to get people through these difficult times. I understand that people don't want to lose what they have, but that's pretty inevitable at this point. The longer we keep extending the recession by using tax payer money, the worse the real bottom is going to be.

What are we really afraid of? Losing the so-called American Dream?

That sounds like letting capitalism crumble so that we can give rise to socialism (or the, much better approach, combination of capitalism and socialism). In other words, what will happen after the crumble?

What the American Dream is varies based on status groups. But people are afraid of the uncertainty and whether the structure can keep us from an "every man and woman for him and herself" mentality. Where are the social safety nets? Many states are struggling with 10% unemployment, what would they do with 50% unemployment?

That's the long and short of it. There's much more to it.

[Senusret I]

Obama is good for some websites.

More websites. Less hateration and holleration in this dancerie.

[Senusret I]

Double posting because that picture of Obama startled me and he looks like Bert.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Double posting because that picture of Obama startled me and he looks like Bert.

This is hateration and holleration because only a hater and holler would notice this.

[agzg]

I hope you realize that at least three people's signatures pertain to you, deepimpact2. And by three people, I mean THREE POSTERS IN THIS THREAD ALONE.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

I hope you realize that at least three people's signatures pertain to you, deepimpact2. And by three people, I mean THREE POSTERS IN THIS THREAD ALONE.

1. I'm not interested enough in other people's signatures to take notice of that if that is in fact the case.
2. I really hope you aren't saying that they actually CHANGED their signatures just to refer to ME. IF that is the case, you DO realize that's pathetic right? I certainly wouldn't waste a perfectly good signature on any of you. You don't warrant THAT kind of attention. It's enough to just post in response to comments made.
3. You must have been the class tattletale when you were in elementary school. I find it kind of strange that you just felt a pressing need to point that out. In the future...um...don't waste your time on things like that. I don't care. It won't make me stop posting.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

1. I'm not interested enough in other people's signatures to take notice of that if that is in fact the case.
2. I really hope you aren't saying that they actually CHANGED their signatures just to refer to ME. IF that is the case, you DO realize that's pathetic right? I certainly wouldn't waste a perfectly good signature on any of you. You don't warrant THAT kind of attention. It's enough to just post in response to comments made.
3. You must have been the class tattletale when you were in elementary school. I find it kind of strange that you just felt a pressing need to point that out. In the future...um...don't waste your time on things like that. I don't care. It won't make me stop posting.

You're right, there obviously is no point. Not because it's truly pointless, but because you're too oblivious to notice.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

1. I'm not interested enough in other people's signatures to take notice of that if that is in fact the case.
2. I really hope you aren't saying that they actually CHANGED their signatures just to refer to ME. IF that is the case, you DO realize that's pathetic right? I certainly wouldn't waste a perfectly good signature on any of you. You don't warrant THAT kind of attention. It's enough to just post in response to comments made.
3. You must have been the class tattletale when you were in elementary school. I find it kind of strange that you just felt a pressing need to point that out. In the future...um...don't waste your time on things like that. I don't care. It won't make me stop posting.

You really believe your own stuff, don't you? It's kind of . . . borderline personality disorder-ish.

But please don't stop posting - it takes all kinds in the message board community, and yours is certainly a view I don't get often in my sphere.

[Senusret I]

I found it neither funny nor offensive. It would have "worked" better if there had been a typewriter in the background. I think it was related to the infinite monkey theorem.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

I found it neither funny nor offensive. It would have "worked" better if there had been a typewriter in the background. I think it was related to the infinite monkey theorem.

This.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

I found it neither funny nor offensive. It would have "worked" better if there had been a typewriter in the background. I think it was related to the infinite monkey theorem.

I can't subscribe to that theory for 2 reasons:

1. The already mentioned history of the relationship with Blacks and monkeys as a historical context in this country

2. The closeness of the related events surrounding the creation of the cartoon.

If the chimpanzee wasn't shot then the theory would have a 1/2 a chance of standing...but...you still have #1 to contend with in relation to the POTUS who signed the bill.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I can't subscribe to that theory for 2 reasons:

1. The already mentioned history of the relationship with Blacks and monkeys as a historical context in this country

2. The closeness of the related events surrounding the creation of the cartoon.

If the chimpanzee wasn't shot then the theory would have a 1/2 a chance of standing...but...you still have #1 to contend with in relation to the POTUS who signed the bill.

Yeah, I don't think so. I think it's a random monkeys typing PLUS deranged chimp attack this week rather than any attempt at an Obama/Monkey connection.

Are you basically saying that you don't think anyone can make any monkey-based jokes for the next four years despite all the Chimpy McHitler references about Bush?

I don't think I've ever made a monkey joke about the presidency so it won't really be a hardship for me. I just think you might be making more a sweeping condemnation than makes sense.

ETA: Maybe I went astray here by saying that I never made monkey jokes about the presidency. I didn't mean about just the presidency in my question. Are basically any monkey/chimp jokes/references just off the table?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Yeah, I don't think so. I think it's a random monkeys typing PLUS deranged chimp attack this week rather than any attempt at an Obama/Monkey connection.

Are you basically saying that you don't think anyone can make any monkey-based jokes for the next four years despite all the Chimpy McHitler references about Bush?

I don't think I've ever made a monkey joke about the presidency so it won't really be a hardship for me. I just think you might be making more a sweeping condemnation than makes sense.

Of course you would see it that way...but then having a general idea of the general make up of most of the folks here, my opinions on this would seem 'foreign' to most.


As far as your question, sure, they can make all the remarks they want just as long as they are prepared for any repercussions that comes from said remarks...again, scroll up and check some of the links from incidents that happened last year along the campaign trail when people did and made similar remarks and tried to play it off.


IMO This is a direct insult to African Americans. The references of us to monkeys has been synonymous for years but too many of us sweep stuff under the carpet or give it a different label so that we don't have to face the harsh reality. It is concerning for any one regardless of race, creed or religion to by into this type of hatred wrapped in satire. We may have come a long way but we still have so much longer to go.

Too many people have fought and died to simply let things like this 'slide' or 'pass' and it would be irresponsible to do so.

4 years? It's insulting to reference ANYONE Black from the President down to the janitor that does your floors on the same level as a monkey.
100, hell, 50 years ago, if anyone spoke out against this at the very least was jailed or at the very worst beaten or killed...so ok, if he wants to exercise his 1st Amendment right to draw it, I will do the same and call it garbage.

To put this in perspective, UGA, this ranks right up there with the Don Imus 'nappy headed hos' comment.

ETA: I bet none of you caught the tribute to Vick in the pic either.