Obama's Rhetoric is the Real Catastrophe - Page 16

agzg · #1 03-04-2009, 02:24 PM

I'm pretty sure it was his "Everyone must wear suits and ties while in the White House" rule.

agzg · #2 03-04-2009, 02:28 PM

... But I passed statistics!

Barely, but still.

I.A.S.K. · #3 03-04-2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

... But I passed statistics!

Barely, but still.

I got a B in AP stats and then an A in Stats in college....See that proves I know what Im talking about and that Obama is statistically HOT. LOL!

As long as we agree to go along with it DrChaos cant prove anything and she's still out numbered.

srmom · #4 03-05-2009, 02:14 PM

This is the most disturbing youtube video -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&NR=1

HOW IN THE HELL DID WE GET IN THIS MESS?? This is how...

Why didn't we stop it when the clues were in?

I want to add that I don't think democrats are all to blame and republicans are all innocent in this (I know that this is produced by somebody with an agenda). To me, though, this video shows that many (and probably from members of both parties) were sounding the warning bell back then.

agzg · #5 03-06-2009, 01:13 PM

I'm telling you, the Bush policy that threw us into this recession AND trampled all over the constitution is that all staffers MUST wear suits and ties at all times!

All jokes aside, though, most of the time I think that Bush's cabinet/advisors had more to do with his policies than he did. I know that's the point, but it was almost like he was afraid of disappointing them, if that makes sense.

deepimpact2 · #6 03-06-2009, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

All jokes aside, though, most of the time I think that Bush's cabinet/advisors had more to do with his policies than he did. I know that's the point, but it was almost like he was afraid of disappointing them, if that makes sense.

I could see that. I know some people thought Cheney was the mastermind of everything.

agzg · #7 03-06-2009, 01:20 PM

I wouldn't agree with that - it's not like he was a puppet and you certainly can't go by the movie W.. It just seems that there was not a lot of diversity of ideals (at least on the points that the Bush Presidency will be most remembered for - foreign policy and national security) and he sometimes just seemed unsure of what he was saying. But, that could be just his speaking method.

I'd think since none of us were in the Oval Office during the Bush Administration we can't speak definitively on whether or not he was bullied. Cheney may not have been the mastermind, maybe he just looks too menacing for anyone to believe he was a big softy - we just don't know.

Although I really dislike Paul Wolfowitz, and some of the stuff coming out of the Oval Office I could just picture him saying - ick.

Munchkin03 · #8 03-06-2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

I wouldn't agree with that - it's not like he was a puppet and you certainly can't go by the movie W..

That allegation--that Cheney was really the one holding the strings--is several years old, and therefore predates the movie W. I think it's simplistic, but not exactly incorrect.

During the 2000 elections, I went to a speech by a PP doctor, and he was getting us all fired up about the threat to Roe v. Wade. He said, "George W. Bush may be personally stupid, but he has surrounded himself with the nation's smartest conservative minds." Of course, all presidents do that to some extent, but Bush was acutely aware of his shortcomings and selected such people as Cheney and Rice to help him out; they probably did more than their counterparts in other administrations.

deepimpact2 · #9 03-06-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

I wouldn't agree with that - it's not like he was a puppet and you certainly can't go by the movie W.. It just seems that there was not a lot of diversity of ideals (at least on the points that the Bush Presidency will be most remembered for - foreign policy and national security) and he sometimes just seemed unsure of what he was saying. But, that could be just his speaking method.

I'd think since none of us were in the Oval Office during the Bush Administration we can't speak definitively on whether or not he was bullied. Cheney may not have been the mastermind, maybe he just looks too menacing for anyone to believe he was a big softy - we just don't know.

Although I really dislike Paul Wolfowitz, and some of the stuff coming out of the Oval Office I could just picture him saying - ick.

I'm confused. It seems like you are contradicting your own statement.

And I don't recall anyone mentioning the movie, W.

agzg · #10 03-06-2009, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by deepimpact2

I'm confused. It seems like you are contradicting your own statement.

And I don't recall anyone mentioning the movie, W.

No. I said it seemed like his cabinet had more to do with his policies than he actually did, but none of us can say definitively if that's true.

I don't get what's so confusing.

And I mentioned the movie W.. Heaven forbid I make a reference to something that was not mentioned before. Have you seen it? The point of it was that he was fully bullied by his cabinet.

srmom · #11 03-06-2009, 05:47 PM

http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball...onstitution/2/

Interesting take on Obama - and scary as heck!

KSig RC · #12 03-06-2009, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by srmom

http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball...onstitution/2/

Interesting take on Obama - and scary as heck!

You have GOT to stop with this. It's just . . . inane. It's not scary, it's hack journalism for people who can't think critically enough to see through the post hoc fallacies and selection bias. Come on.

KSigkid · #13 03-06-2009, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by srmom

http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball...onstitution/2/

Interesting take on Obama - and scary as heck!

A little out there, don't you think? I mean, he's not saying anything that hasn't already been said by others (there were people crying "Socialist!" and "Commie!" during the election). This seems like nothing more than the rantings of a guy who doesn't do any favors for the rest of us conservatives.

I don't think it's intellectually honest to accuse the President of trying to bring down the economy.

RU OX Alum · #14 03-07-2009, 12:47 AM

change= his party will be in power?

wjat is his mantra? keep your eneimeies close, and those you can't trust at all keep closer (take a look at his cabinet...either he studied Machevelli like a champ or is the dumbest mother f***er ever born.

Seriously.......Joe Biden is openly racist and even suggested better candidates than himself. Why is he where he is? So he can't fuck nothing up. Clinton's in a place where she'll be tried for treason if she runs her mouth off, and Dachele's been laughed out of town. We either have the most self-serving president ever, or we have the dumbest. But Obama reminds me more of van Burren than Polk. He knows what hes doing, and only like 5% of the populace do. And uless he becomes populist, more power to him.

Keep your friends close....

KSigkid · #15 03-07-2009, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

change= his party will be in power?

wjat is his mantra? keep your eneimeies close, and those you can't trust at all keep closer (take a look at his cabinet...either he studied Machevelli like a champ or is the dumbest mother f***er ever born.

Seriously.......Joe Biden is openly racist and even suggested better candidates than himself. Why is he where he is? So he can't fuck nothing up. Clinton's in a place where she'll be tried for treason if she runs her mouth off, and Dachele's been laughed out of town. We either have the most self-serving president ever, or we have the dumbest. But Obama reminds me more of van Burren than Polk. He knows what hes doing, and only like 5% of the populace do. And uless he becomes populist, more power to him.

Keep your friends close....

Wow...so much anger, and so many points of this post that seem wrong. Why is Biden "openly racist?" Daschle wasn't "laughed out of town," as he still has fairly-prominent lobbying job.

Plus, Polk was a better President than Van Buren. But no one else really cares about that discussion.