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Old 02-04-2009, 01:05 AM
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"Clearly listed as a sin" is very subjective because Scriptures can be interpreted differently. Some Scriptures seem more straightforward than others but many Christians pick and choose which Scriptures to interpreted verbatum and which to "spin" to suit whatever cultural norms, practices, and agendas.

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Old 02-04-2009, 11:20 AM
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"Clearly listed as a sin" is very subjective because Scriptures can be interpreted differently. Some Scriptures seem more straightforward than others but many Christians pick and choose which Scriptures to interpreted verbatum and which to "spin" to suit whatever cultural norms, practices, and agendas.
The scriptures I am referring to are pretty clear in stating that homosexuality is a sin.
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Old 02-04-2009, 11:42 AM
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The scriptures I am referring to are pretty clear in stating that homosexuality is a sin.
No, they're not really. I would concede that the passages you're referring to are pretty clear in stating that homosexual behavior is sinful. Not the same thing.

Now, remind me what the Bible says about remarriage after divorce?
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Old 02-04-2009, 03:50 PM
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No, they're not really. I would concede that the passages you're referring to are pretty clear in stating that homosexual behavior is sinful. Not the same thing.

Now, remind me what the Bible says about remarriage after divorce?
With respect to your first statement I am interested to know how you arrived at that conclusion since I never listed the scriptures I was referring to.

With respect to the second statement...how is that relevant?
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Old 02-04-2009, 04:18 PM
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With respect to your first statement I am interested to know how you arrived at that conclusion since I never listed the scriptures I was referring to.
Point well taken. I assumed (and yes, I know what happens when one assumes ) that you were referring to the Judeo-Christian Scriptures in general, and perhaps to the specific passages in those Scriptures that deal with homosexual behavior, for three reasons. First, this post:

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As for it being "dumb because it's based on the Bible," you should be very careful saying things like that.

And that's all I'm going to say about that.
Second, in my experience (which may be limited in this regard), it is primarily Christians and Jews who refer to holy writings as "Scripture." (Okay, I've heard Hindus do it as well, but I was betting that wasn't applicable here.)

And third, in my experience (and see the disclaimer for point 2), it is mainly some Christians who refer to particular passages of the Bible as "scriptures" (rather than referring to the whole thing as "Scripture" and specific verses as "verses" or "passages of Scripture.")

From that assumption, I assumed you were referring to the various well-known verses on the subject. If my assumptions were incorrect and fulfilled the old adage on my part, my apologies.

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With respect to the second statement...how is that relevant?
When you said "The scriptures I am referring to are pretty clear in stating that homosexuality is a sin," you were responding to statement from DrPhil:
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"Clearly listed as a sin" is very subjective because Scriptures can be interpreted differently. Some Scriptures seem more straightforward than others but many Christians pick and choose which Scriptures to interpreted verbatum and which to "spin" to suit whatever cultural norms, practices, and agendas.
My point was simply that Jesus made very clear that divorce and remarriage for any reason other than the adultry of the spouse were sinful. (Matthew 5:31-32 and Matthew 19:1-10.) Admittedly, he diverged from Mosaic law on this point. (Mark 10:1-5.) And this view, for the most part, held in the Christian world for centuries. But now, I'd hazard a guess that many if not most Christians do not view these verses as naming remarriage after divorce as sinful per se, despite their plain language.

Like DrPhil said, there is a long history of interpreting Scripture in different ways, so that what some see as clear, others see as not clear at all (or see clearly and differently).
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Old 02-04-2009, 12:19 PM
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The scriptures I am referring to are pretty clear in stating that homosexuality is a sin.
Along with what MysticCat said, Christians often pick and choose which Scriptures to refer to when they want to defend whatever they want to defend.

People can interpret Christianity however they choose but my Christianity doesn't require what I call "Scripture Battles."
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Old 02-04-2009, 03:54 PM
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Along with what MysticCat said, Christians often pick and choose which Scriptures to refer to when they want to defend whatever they want to defend.

People can interpret Christianity however they choose but my Christianity doesn't require what I call "Scripture Battles."
And? I think everyone knows that you have people who pick and choose certain scriptures in an effort to defend their point. So what? That's nothing new that we didn't already know.

As for scripture battles, is anyone actually trying to engage in scripture battles on here?
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Old 02-04-2009, 04:26 PM
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And? I think everyone knows that you have people who pick and choose certain scriptures in an effort to defend their point. So what? That's nothing new that we didn't already know.

As for scripture battles, is anyone actually trying to engage in scripture battles on here?
BIBLE WARS!!!!
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Old 02-04-2009, 04:30 PM
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BIBLE WARS!!!!

2009! It's on like Donkey Kong!


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Old 02-04-2009, 04:36 PM
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2009! It's on like Donkey Kong!


Flinging the New Testament at yo' haid!!!!!

STOP DUCKING!!!
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Old 02-04-2009, 05:16 PM
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2009! It's on like Donkey Kong!

That's racist.
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Old 02-04-2009, 05:16 PM
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BIBLE WARS!!!!
lmao

Bring it...
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Old 02-04-2009, 05:15 PM
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And?

So what?


DUH. Scriptures are subjective to a great extent. People pick and choose which ones they want to quote to prove whatever point they want to make. They want to win the Scripturrrrrrrrrrre Warrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs. DUH.

Here we go again.

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