Frat/Sor Philippines

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by alumnisec

If ever disapprove we are already prepared and we will shut down automatically our chapters in the Philippines.

That's good to hear. Why didn't y'all go the proper route to begin with?

[naraht]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

That's good to hear. Why didn't y'all go the proper route to begin with?

One possible reason is that the National By-laws of Delta Upsilon (at least in their current form) only allow colonies in the US and Canada.
http://www.deltau.org/files/constitution&bylaws.pdf Article III, section 8: Establishment of a Colony.

The Board of Directors, by a vote of the majority of Directors present at a meeting of the Board, may
establish and organize a local group at any college or university in the United States of America or Canada as a
Colony of the Fraternity. The Board of Directors, by a vote of the majority of the Directors present at a meeting of
the Board, may recognize a petitioning group at any college or university in the United States of America or Canada
seeking to affiliate as a Colony of the Fraternity. The Board of Directors shall appoint a committee to organize the
Colony. The organizing committee shall have authority to pledge Associate Members and to establish the initial
organizational requirements for the Colony.

Also, the following section involving chartering of an undergraduate chapters also is limited to US & Canada, so simply jumping to chapter, as would be done in the event of a Merger is out as well.

So unless the board make them a separate national organization (like APO & ASPhi do), they have to change the National by-laws as well...

The USA/Canada limitation isn't on the "Colonization Criteria" page on DU's website (http://www.deltau.org/default.aspx?a...t&ContentId=22), but I *really* don't count that as much of a justification...

Randy

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by naraht

One possible reason is that the National By-laws of Delta Upsilon (at least in their current form) only allow colonies in the US and Canada.
http://www.deltau.org/files/constitution&bylaws.pdf Article III, section 8: Establishment of a Colony.

The Board of Directors, by a vote of the majority of Directors present at a meeting of the Board, may
establish and organize a local group at any college or university in the United States of America or Canada as a
Colony of the Fraternity. The Board of Directors, by a vote of the majority of the Directors present at a meeting of
the Board, may recognize a petitioning group at any college or university in the United States of America or Canada
seeking to affiliate as a Colony of the Fraternity. The Board of Directors shall appoint a committee to organize the
Colony. The organizing committee shall have authority to pledge Associate Members and to establish the initial
organizational requirements for the Colony.

Also, the following section involving chartering of an undergraduate chapters also is limited to US & Canada, so simply jumping to chapter, as would be done in the event of a Merger is out as well.

So unless the board make them a separate national organization (like APO & ASPhi do), they have to change the National by-laws as well...

The USA/Canada limitation isn't on the "Colonization Criteria" page on DU's website (http://www.deltau.org/default.aspx?a...t&ContentId=22), but I *really* don't count that as much of a justification...

Randy

Eh, I don't buy it. My sorority has international interests who knew well enough to contact us before they did anything.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

Eh, I don't buy it. My sorority has international interests who knew well enough to contact us before they did anything.

Exactly. I have a REALLY hard time understanding this in general.

How did these groups consider themselves part of these IFC fraternities if they aren't official chapters?

I mean, who initiated them? Did they initiate themselves? Maybe it's the pain meds, but I am really not getting this.

[alumnisec]

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[KSUViolet06]

Ok, but isn't that different from the Alpha Sigma Phi fraternity that exists here in the US?

If some girls in (for example) Switzerland, decided to start a sorority and call it Sigma Sigma Sigma, it would not be affilaited with MY sorority here in the US unless the group went through the proper procedures and was chosen to become a colony of my org. It would just be infringing on our trademarks and such.

This is where I am getting confused.

[SAEalumnus]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

Exactly. I have a REALLY hard time understanding this in general.

How did these groups consider themselves part of these IFC fraternities if they aren't official chapters?

I mean, who initiated them? Did they initiate themselves? Maybe it's the pain meds, but I am really not getting this.

The general pattern as I've seen is that these groups in the Philippines wanted to imitate North American GLOs due to the history and prestige all of our organizations as a whole command, so they did some research (frequently just online) and picked some existing GLO to copy. They took on that group's name, symbols, and history and have gone about parading themselves as an extension of the original GLO. Some have contacted the headquarters of the original GLO regarding expansion, and on rare occasions have applied for extension, but other than the couple of exceptions mentioned in this thread, none of them have ever been given formal recognition by the original GLO.

All of those groups are nothing more than perps "playing Greek." What's worse is their attitude towards hazing is wholly inconsistent with the purposes GLOs were originally created to serve. In the case of the Philippine group currently applying to DU, they obtained DU's non-secret Ritual online and initiated themselves. No member of DU as it's known in North America participated in their initiation, nor was it sanctioned by DU's IHQ.

These groups have completely missed the point that you don't take something first, then ask if you can share it. You have to ask first, then wait for it to be offered to you. To just take any GLO's identity without going through the proper procedure to show that you truly understand, appreciate, and deserve the bonds that identity brings is to demonstrate a complete lack of respect for and comprehension of what it means to be Greek.

[alumnisec]

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[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by alumnisec

Philippines is under american regime wayback 1890-1910 and americans where the ones who first introduce fraternities to the Filipinos that is why fraternities is widespread now in the Philippines and almost all politicians in the country are all fratmen nowadays.

I'm afraid you've misunderstood our complaint. I can accept that fraternities may have been introduced to Filipinos between 1890 and 1910. What we're having trouble with is understanding how you go from being acquainted with a fraternity to immorally stealing the identity of an organization and then asking if you can be part of it.

I'll give you an analogy. It's like if a man living in America went around claiming to be your brother-in-law. Then, when you found out he had been lying about being married to your sister, he came to your family and asked if he could marry her. It's completely backward.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by SAEalumnus

The general pattern as I've seen is that these groups in the Philippines wanted to imitate North American GLOs due to the history and prestige all of our organizations as a whole command, so they did some research (frequently just online) and picked some existing GLO to copy. They took on that group's name, symbols, and history and have gone about parading themselves as an extension of the original GLO. Some have contacted the headquarters of the original GLO regarding expansion, and on rare occasions have applied for extension, but other than the couple of exceptions mentioned in this thread, none of them have ever been given formal recognition by the original GLO.

All of those groups are nothing more than perps "playing Greek." What's worse is their attitude towards hazing is wholly inconsistent with the purposes GLOs were originally created to serve. In the case of the Philippine group currently applying to DU, they obtained DU's non-secret Ritual online and initiated themselves. No member of DU as it's known in North America participated in their initiation, nor was it sanctioned by DU's IHQ.

These groups have completely missed the point that you don't take something first, then ask if you can share it. You have to ask first, then wait for it to be offered to you. To just take any GLO's identity without going through the proper procedure to show that you truly understand, appreciate, and deserve the bonds that identity brings is to demonstrate a complete lack of respect for and comprehension of what it means to be Greek.

That's like an interest group of ladies wanting to be a Tri Sigma chapter, calling themselves Sigma Sigma Sigma, using our symbols and everything, and THEN going to our national about becoming a colony. It doesn't work.

Or like people who perp NPHC orgs. You can put on a bunch of DST/AKA/etc jackets and do their steps and such all you want. You're still not them.

And how did they get ahold of the ritual to begin with?

[SAEalumnus]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

That's like an interest group of ladies wanting to be a Tri Sigma chapter, calling themselves Sigma Sigma Sigma, using our symbols and everything, and THEN going to our national about becoming a colony. It doesn't work.

Or like people who perp NPHC orgs. You can put on a bunch of DST/AKA/etc jackets and do their steps and such all you want. You're still not them.

And how did they get ahold of the ritual to begin with?

Exactly.

DU is nonsecret and publishes their entire ritual book on their IHQ website.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by SAEalumnus

Exactly.

DU is nonsecret and publishes their entire ritual book on their IHQ website.

Wow http://www.deltau.org/default.aspx?a...t&ContentId=91

They probably have a private ritual, too, or something.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Wow http://www.deltau.org/default.aspx?a...t&ContentId=91

They probably have a private ritual, too, or something.

Not that I've heard at all. The only thing that I've heard of that the Philippines group has had trouble getting hold of is the brotherhood pins.

Randy

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