School can expel lesbian students, court rules

[CrackerBarrel]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

I fully expect students to rebel against dumb policies.

It's a CHURCH school. It should have been pretty clear before they enrolled that the church did not approve of homosexuality. Protest dumb restrictions all you want, but if you should have known the policy before you got into the school it shouldn't come as a real big surprise when they enforce it. The school has the choice to not accept gay students and gay students have the choice of not going to the school if it's important to them.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

It's a CHURCH school. It should have been pretty clear before they enrolled that the church did not approve of homosexuality. Protest dumb restrictions all you want, but if you should have known the policy before you got into the school it shouldn't come as a real big surprise when they enforce it. The school has the choice to not accept gay students and gay students have the choice of not going to the school if it's important to them.

Too many variables...

They might not have known/accepted their sexuality when they enrolled in the school.

They might have not actually had a choice if they weren't the ones paying for it.

I'm also not arguing whether the courts made the correct decision based on the law, just that the rule is dumb in the first place.

[CrackerBarrel]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Too many variables...

They might not have known/accepted their sexuality when they enrolled in the school.

They might have not actually had a choice if they weren't the ones paying for it.

I'm also not arguing whether the courts made the correct decision based on the law, just that the rule is dumb in the first place.

That's true. There's also the possible scenario of their parents didn't approve of it and sent them to church school to try to "get them right". Whatever happened it's certainly not a happy scenario, but I don't think the parents/students should have filed a lawsuit over it because it certainly seems to have been within the church's rights to kick them out.

[CutiePie2000]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

They might not have known/accepted their sexuality when they enrolled in the school.

They might have not actually had a choice if they weren't the ones paying for it.

I'm thinking that the girls and/or their parents knew/suspected that they were lesbians (or showing lesbian tendencies) and enrolled them in a religious school to try to "turn them" straight.



PS This is an excellent and very thought-provoking documentary: "For the Bible Tells Me So":
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[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Too many variables...

They might not have known/accepted their sexuality when they enrolled in the school.

They might have not actually had a choice if they weren't the ones paying for it.

I'm also not arguing whether the courts made the correct decision based on the law, just that the rule is dumb in the first place.

Whether they accepted or knew their sexuality or not, they were aware of the school policy. All they had to do was comply with it. End of story.


You should never encourage students to rebel against a "dumb" rule. First, "dumb" is subjective. Second, most students hate at least one of the school rules. So where does that leave the school?
Simply put...attitudes like yours are why schools are in such disarray now. Students think that if THEY don't like a rule, then they should just be able to ignore it. It doesn't work like that.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

You should never encourage students to rebel against a "dumb" rule. First, "dumb" is subjective. Second, most students hate at least one of the school rules. So where does that leave the school?

That depends on what the rule is.

I watched that Raven Samone movie about the segregated proms, in what I believe was the the 20th century. If every student and parent had said "this is a rule...it isn't safe for blacks and whites to be at a prom together because, unlike when they are at SCHOOL TOGETHER, they may have sex and fight and stuff."

With this lesbian girls, there are two issues, the legal issue and the moral issue. The moral point may be made even if the legal one was lost.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

That depends on what the rule is.

I watched that Raven Samone movie about the segregated proms, in what I believe was the the 20th century. If every student and parent had said "this is a rule...it isn't safe for blacks and whites to be at a prom together because, unlike when they are at SCHOOL TOGETHER, they may have sex and fight and stuff."
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So what is your point? No one said anything about NOT working on getting the rules changed. I simply said that people shouldn't encourage students to break rules as a way of bringing about that change.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

So what is your point?

DUH. That I disagree with your post because it depends on the rule and what are perceived to be necessary steps towards change. DUH.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

DUH. That I disagree with your post because it depends on the rule and what are perceived to be necessary steps towards change. DUH.

Duh? Are you kidding?
As I said before...what is your point? Any responsible, mature human being knows that to go around advocating for breaking the rules as a mechanism of change is going to open the door for chaos. It's more important to have dialogue about the issues and break down barriers that way. Breaking the rules only gives "them" the ammunition they need against you and in many cases weakens the effectiveness of what you are attempting to do. Your attempt to show that you disagree with my post would probably have been more effective if you had used a better example.