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Old 01-24-2009, 03:19 AM
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I would bet that this happens on a lot more campuses than VT.
You are right... But IDK? Cho, then Zhu? Coincidence? Maybe... Maybe not...

Some of the folks with H-1B visas have been found to have fraudulent credentials and are treated like slaves... And since they pay something way beyond "out of state" tuition and fees, many universities that greedily and willingly accept people with H-1B visas are making a killing off them, and scaring them into cheap labor.

Check out Lou Dobbs, CNN and Science Magazine about this issue, those are my sources...
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Old 01-24-2009, 08:20 AM
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You are right... But IDK? Cho, then Zhu? Coincidence? Maybe... Maybe not...

Some of the folks with H-1B visas have been found to have fraudulent credentials and are treated like slaves... And since they pay something way beyond "out of state" tuition and fees, many universities that greedily and willingly accept people with H-1B visas are making a killing off them, and scaring them into cheap labor.

Check out Lou Dobbs, CNN and Science Magazine about this issue, those are my sources...
Cho was not here in the US on a student visa. He was born in South Korea and moved with his family to the US while he was still in elementary school and was considered a permanent resident. He was an undergraduate student.

Zhu (born in China) was a doctoral candidate working for the university as a TA so perhaps he was one of the overworked foreign grad students. He came to the US specifically as a graduate student a couple of years ago.

I think they are both horrific murderers but I do not see any connection.
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Old 01-24-2009, 09:33 AM
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You are right... But IDK? Cho, then Zhu? Coincidence? Maybe... Maybe not...

Some of the folks with H-1B visas have been found to have fraudulent credentials and are treated like slaves... And since they pay something way beyond "out of state" tuition and fees, many universities that greedily and willingly accept people with H-1B visas are making a killing off them, and scaring them into cheap labor.

Check out Lou Dobbs, CNN and Science Magazine about this issue, those are my sources...
I would have to say coincidence...2 heinous murders on the same campus that just so happens to be perpetrated by Asians? Just think of the odds on that one.

And back to your earlier concern, just think of what type of discriminatory practices would arise if college campuses were ever allowed to perform any type of mental evaluation of incoming students to any program.

The SATs descended from a mental test...which was concidered to be anti race and anti immigrant. No sense in giving schools more tools to illegally weed out people they don't want.
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Old 01-24-2009, 10:35 AM
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I would have to say coincidence...2 heinous murders on the same campus that just so happens to be perpetrated by Asians? Just think of the odds on that one.

And back to your earlier concern, just think of what type of discriminatory practices would arise if college campuses were ever allowed to perform any type of mental evaluation of incoming students to any program.

The SATs descended from a mental test...which was concidered to be anti race and anti immigrant. No sense in giving schools more tools to illegally weed out people they don't want.
There's a big debate about whether states should be allowed to ask questions about mental history when someone applies to be a member of the state bar. One of the professors at my law school wrote a widely-read article on it, and now there's a big debate as to whether the practice discriminatory, where the line should be drawn, etc.

I would imagine that an undergrad admissions process that looked at mental health records would elicit the same, if not, stronger debate.

I really think this is a coincidence - unfortunately you find acts of violence (whether resulting in murder or not) on college campuses across the country. It just happens that VT had a very public act of violence that has attracted the public microscope, so when things like this happen, people will be looking for patterns.
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