The Bush Pardons

PiKA2001 · #1 01-21-2009, 10:31 PM

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They lied about hearing about a gunshot -- and that's what convinced them to fire 15 rounds at the back of a fleeing suspect (from a gun which apparently exists -- I've heard a lot of gunfire and it has a rather distinct sound).

Did they? Really? Maybe you're right and these guys should serve their whole sentence, as if they and their families haven't suffered enough. Question, do you get this riled up over pardons of Scooter Libby and Marc Rich types?

Also- Not sure if you keep up on the news put getting shot in the ass over 800 pounds of marijuana is nothing these days. People lose their heads over it now

PhiGam · #2 01-21-2009, 11:51 PM

Those border patrol agents were shooting to maim a fleeing criminal. It was many things but attempted murder is not one of them. They should have just lost their jobs (as they already have).

RU OX Alum · #3 01-22-2009, 10:59 AM

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Did they? Really? Maybe you're right and these guys should serve their whole sentence, as if they and their families haven't suffered enough.

No. They haven't. They haven't suffered as much as the family of the innocent man they killed.

PiKA2001 · #4 01-22-2009, 12:31 PM

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No. They haven't. They haven't suffered as much as the family of the innocent man they killed.

WTF are you talking about??

epchick · #5 01-22-2009, 01:07 PM

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No. They haven't. They haven't suffered as much as the family of the innocent man they killed.

You might wanna read up on this story. They didn't kill anyone. They shot a man in the ass.

KSig RC · #6 01-22-2009, 01:10 PM

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You might wanna read up on this story. They didn't kill anyone. They shot a man in the ass.

I think he was referring to la petite mort? Maybe?

epchick · #7 01-22-2009, 01:14 PM

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I think he was referring to la petite mort? Maybe?

ha...maybe, I don't know how though.

Anyways, I just hope that these people don't get their jobs back, or get any similar type job. I wouldn't put it past my city to allow something like that.

PiKA2001 · #8 01-22-2009, 01:21 PM

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ha...maybe, I don't know how though.

Anyways, I just hope that these people don't get their jobs back, or get any similar type job. I wouldn't put it past my city to allow something like that.

I won't disagree with you on how jacked up El Paso is but being a convicted felon pretty much bars you from making any type of decent living.

KSig RC · #9 01-22-2009, 01:31 PM

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ha...maybe, I don't know how though.

That was definitely sarcasm.

Sure the BP agents might have known the guy was a smuggler . . . but I don't think that's likely (in any of the forms we've discussed) and apparently neither did a jury. I feel like living with the felon label is fine with me, even if I'm not necessarily sure where I stand on the commutation as a whole.

Then again, I'm on record as taking a pretty hard-line stance on law enforcement issues, and think the Border Patrol is pretty much the definition of hapless.

Kevin · #10 01-22-2009, 12:42 PM

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Did they? Really? Maybe you're right and these guys should serve their whole sentence, as if they and their families haven't suffered enough. Question, do you get this riled up over pardons of Scooter Libby and Marc Rich types?

Did the conservative media repeatedly feed the public lies in an attempt to get them to clamor for presidential mercy for two bad cops who were guilty as hell and deserved no such mercy?

Libby I can see because the guy probably took the fall for more important officials.

Rich's pardon was straight up corruption.

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Also- Not sure if you keep up on the news put getting shot in the ass over 800 pounds of marijuana is nothing these days. People lose their heads over it now

At the time of the shooting, the agents had no way to know whether this was a drug smuggler or just an ordinary law abiding citizen.

PiKA2001 · #11 01-22-2009, 01:18 PM

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At the time of the shooting, the agents had no way to know whether this was a drug smuggler or just an ordinary law abiding citizen.

How do you know that the agents didn't know whether this guy was a drug smuggler or not? I thought they saw the marijuana bales after the guy crashed his truck on the river bank. The guy was a repeat smuggler too so as far as any of us on this board know they could have ID'd the truck before as a possible suspected drug smuggling vehicle.

epchick · #12 01-22-2009, 01:33 PM

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How do you know that the agents didn't know whether this guy was a drug smuggler or not? I thought they saw the marijuana bales after the guy crashed his truck on the river bank. The guy was a repeat smuggler too so as far as any of us on this board know they could have ID'd the truck before as a possible suspected drug smuggling vehicle.

Is that what happened? Cause that is not what I heard, or interpreted. I heard that they did NOT know he was a drug smuggler until after they shot him. In fact, they didn't even see him in the van, they just saw the guy running away from the van. There was no evidence this guy was even linked to the marijuana in the van. The 'drug smuggler' wasn't even arrested for drugs until a few months later, and it wasn't connected to this case.

At least Former President Bush knew that these 2 border patrol agents got a fair trial and just verdicts. I just don't like the whole idea that these two guys "suffered enough for their crime." Ummm...so are we gonna let out other criminals cause they 'suffered enough?'

PiKA2001 · #13 01-22-2009, 01:39 PM

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Is that what happened? Cause that is not what I heard, or interpreted. I heard that they did NOT know he was a drug smuggler until after they shot him. In fact, they didn't even see him in the van, they just saw the guy running away from the van. There was no evidence this guy was even linked to the marijuana in the van. The 'drug smuggler' wasn't even arrested for drugs until a few months later, and it wasn't connected to this case.

Like I said, since none of us were there who knows what really happened or what was going through these guys minds when this was going on. Did he hear a gunshot and saw his partner on the ground...?

KSig RC · #14 01-22-2009, 01:44 PM

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Like I said, since none of us were there who knows what really happened or what was going through these guys minds when this was going on. Did he hear a gunshot and saw his partner on the ground...?

I mean, is there any evidence of this? Or is this just "possible-world" conjecture?

PiKA2001 · #15 01-22-2009, 01:54 PM

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I mean, is there any evidence of this? Or is this just "possible-world" conjecture?

I don't know, i'm just going off of what everyone else is; News reports and hearsay.