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01-14-2009, 12:23 AM
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@Bolded. It's been a long time. Thanks... Because really, I have not been civil because I have be exhausted in having to prove who and what I am. It is not like it's difficult. I don't really lie, I am bad at it, so I don't do it... Oh well. I might get over it.
I thought the same thing too about new people having strong opinions, but I learned differently when I put myself in that situation and I am 40 years old... Oh well... I might get over that...
Now judgment is given to use to protect ourselves from long ago. Similar to anger as an emotion, judgment is that bridge between emotions and thoughts.
All of these are just emotional responses. Not thoughtful or academic. They are opinions and not informed ones at that...
However, we all use judgment as a quick learning form, i.e. pro vs. con... We judge when the "eye" is hot when we cook, i.e. remember, I know the cook eye is hot, so I will not touch it--that is how we get the logic to not touch it. Discernment is a higher form of judgment to know the difference, IMO. Wisdom is to move beyond that discernment.
In Mindfulness, when you focus on your innermost energy, your mind reels in waves. You are to just notice the stray then breathe to get back to your focus. And if you stray 1000 times, you breathe to get back to your focus 1000 times. Getting angry, frustrated, and bring about a value to your frustration, which is judgment, is not productive.
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Your opinion on judgment makes a lot of sense and I guess ot me it is a good way to verbalize exactly why judgment of people is so dangerous, but especially when it's based on something so arbitrary as a skin color or sex.
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01-14-2009, 12:35 AM
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Your opinion on judgment makes a lot of sense and I guess ot me it is a good way to verbalize exactly why judgment of people is so dangerous, but especially when it's based on something so arbitrary as a skin color or sex.
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Actually, nothing is wrong with judgment. We have to use it to survive in this day and age... Without that "rush to judgment" or "quick thinking" (albeit not equivalent) we use it to establish if we need to take flight or fight...
That is rooted in fear... And most bigotry is rooted in fear...
Folks base it on arbitrary things because it is easy to subjugate on the weakest link like a predator on a target...
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01-14-2009, 12:39 AM
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Actually, nothing is wrong with judgment. We have to use it to survive in this day and age... Without that "rush to judgment" or "quick thinking" (albeit not equivalent) we use it to establish if we need to take flight or fight...
That is rooted in fear... And most bigotry is rooted in fear...
Folks base it on arbitrary things because it is easy to subjugate on the weakest link like a predator on a target...
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That's true. I guess I was thinking of it in context of forming an complicated opinion someone based on very little instead of in terms of a quick opinion formed for the same reason.
I guess sometimes it is helpful...if you're alone in a dark alleyway and someone suspicious heads towards you it can be helpful, yes.
I think bigotry is rooted in both fear and ego.
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01-14-2009, 12:45 AM
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That's true. I guess I was thinking of it in context of forming an complicated opinion someone based on very little instead of in terms of a quick opinion formed for the same reason.
I guess sometimes it is helpful...if you're alone in a dark alleyway and someone suspicious heads towards you it can be helpful, yes.
I think bigotry is rooted in both fear and ego.
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Ego? How so? Ego is about an arrogance. Supremacy, yes... One thinks they are superior than another and can subject the other to a lower level...
SWTXBelle posted the definition of racism by Webster...
Others have posted the academics associated with the different forms of how racism as a social construct and how it affects societies...
The other issue is people rationalize everything after everything is said and done...
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01-14-2009, 12:50 AM
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Ego? How so? Ego is about an arrogance. Supremacy, yes... One things they are superior than another and can subject the other to a lower level...
SWTXBelle posted the definition of racism by Webster...
Others have posted the academics associated with the different forms of how racism as a social construct and how it affects societies...
The other issue is people rationalize everything after everything is said and done...
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Exactly. I've certainly met a few bigots and they tended to not only be wary of those that were different but to also believe they were superior, I just don't think they realized it, but it wasn't just plain supremacy. Here's the definition of arrogance: offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride. It is the overbearing pride that I seemed to see, I think. I think pride led them to be unable to see anyone else's point of view, for instance.
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01-14-2009, 12:57 AM
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Exactly. I've certainly met a few bigots and they tended to not only be wary of those that were different but to also believe they were superior, I just don't think they realized it, but it wasn't just plain supremacy. Here's the definition of arrogance: offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride. It is the overbearing pride that I seemed to see, I think. I think pride led them to be unable to see anyone else's point of view, for instance.
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There are also academic theories that are involved in racism that I am no expert on... You would have to ask others who study these issues...
But, the people you know who are supremacists or think they are superior, to me just do not get out much, really. If they did, they'd find their little world very restrictive and ignorant in the grand scheme of things.
And even if they are veterans who fought wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, to have that mentality still, silly...
Sounds like they are compensating for something...
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01-14-2009, 01:02 AM
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There are also academic theories that are involved in racism that I am no expert on... You would have to ask others who study these issues...
But, the people you know who are supremacists or think they are superior, to me just do not get out much, really. If they did, they'd find their little world very restrictive and ignorant in the grand scheme of things.
And even if they are veterans who fought wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, to have that mentality still, silly...
Sounds like they are compensating for something...
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I don't know any veterans with this "complex", but I think it's not so much that they don't get out much but that they believe themselves to be important, somehow, and therefore right about everything. They're the type that will stand by what they believe no matter what you say. It's unfortunate, but what can you do? I know them from age 90-15.
I will say this-there's a difference between "educated" bigots and "uneducated" bigots. An uneducated bigot sounds like an oxymoron I guess, but they exist. They just know that most "civilized" company will not tolerate their comments, so they keep it behind closed doors.
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