Recession? What recession? The Bushes Buy Fine China for almost 1/2 a mil.

[TexasWSP]

Originally Posted by I.A.S.K.

Paris Hilton is not a member of the first family. If Bush's daughter did this would I be concerned? Probably.

I thought I covered that in my post when I said that the use of private $$ to buy China seems to be senseless and unnecessary. Since it was a purchase made by the first fam. for the white house (one that they are leaving in two weeks) it has to do with Bush. This use of $$ makes me (and others) question Bush's credibility (on the issue of the bailout). It also makes people feel that this 7 billion dollar bailout was total crap because if there's 1/2 a mil for china there should be $$ (non TP $$) to bail-out these corporate losers.

And FTR I think this bail-out was total crap. Mofo's just getting billions for no reason.

Are you an idiot? I'm as serious as a heart attack.

So because someone spent 500,000$ worth of DONATED money that was given for the SOLE PURPOSE of buying a White House gift........that means the bailout was "total crap" and Bush has lost "credibility"?

You serious Clark?

[I.A.S.K.]

Originally Posted by TexasWSP

1. Once again, what does using private, donated funds to purchase China have to do with our national economy? Please, enlighten me. How do you figure they are "blowing funds"? THE MONEY WAS DONATED AND SAVED FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF BUYING IT!!!! I feel like I'm taking crazy pills for Christ's sake.

2. Fine China is most certainly considered an art form you dolt.

The dolt comment was unnecessary. You must be a dolt if you're trying to miss my point. I am talking about my opinion. In my opinion China was not the best purchase.

Clearly you're having a problem with terminology. When I said art what I meant was something along the lines of paintings, drawings, sculptures (and things of this like). Though I am well aware that China is considered by some to be an art form I do not count China as an art form. If you went to school to study art you probably wouldnt use China as a medium. Paints, clay, charcol, and photography, but not China.

I've explained your first question at least three times. Its not about the actual China (or purchase) it is about the perception of said purchase.

In respect to the underlined sentence I think you might want to talk to your doctor because I think your meds are supposed to do the opposite. Maybe you need a stronger dose.

Originally Posted by TexasWSP

Are you an idiot?
No, but if you look in the mirror and ask this question I think you'll get the opposite answer.
So because someone spent 500,000$ worth of DONATED money that was given for the SOLE PURPOSE of buying a White House gift........that means the bailout was "total crap" and Bush has lost "credibility"?

The bail-out was total crap.

It isn't because someone spent .5mil on CHINA (it applies to the China purchase because as I stated other purchases wouldn't have been a problem). It is because Mrs. Bush spent the money on china that Mr. Bush can seem less credible to some people. These people will most likely be the ones who do not value China as an art form and who consider the purchase money (whether donated or not) wasted in a time where the country is facing economic hardship and cannot afford to waste (that much) money.

[TexasWSP]

Originally Posted by I.A.S.K.

The dolt comment was unnecessary. You must be a dolt if you're trying to miss my point. I am talking about my opinion. In my opinion China was not the best purchase.

Clearly you're having a problem with terminology. When I said art what I meant was something along the lines of paintings, drawings, sculptures (and things of this like). Though I am well aware that China is considered by some to be an art form I do not count China as an art form. If you went to school to study art you probably wouldnt use China as a medium. Paints, clay, charcol, and photography, but not China.

Really? Really?? I don't have a problem with terminology at all. I'm not the one claiming that the 11,000 year old practice of taking Chinese CLAY (kaolin) and SCULPTING it into porcelain dishes isn't an art form.

...and for the record, I took three art history courses at Texas and all three spent significant time detailing Chinese art forms, specifically their perfection of plate making, bowls, platters, jugs, etc. etc. etc.

I've explained your first question at least three times. Its not about the actual China (or purchase) it is about the perception of said purchase.

In respect to the underlined sentence I think you might want to talk to your doctor because I think your meds are supposed to do the opposite. Maybe you need a stronger dose.


The bail-out was total crap.

It isn't because someone spent .5mil on CHINA (it applies to the China purchase because as I stated other purchases wouldn't have been a problem). It is because Mrs. Bush spent the money on china that Mr. Bush can seem less credible to some people. These people will most likely be the ones who do not value China as an art form and who consider the purchase money (whether donated or not) wasted in a time where the country is facing economic hardship and cannot afford to waste (that much) money.

Again, please tell me how Bush is "less credible" because private money was spent buying a gift for the White House.

Anyone who thinks that way is a moron. Plain and simple. How was the money "wasted"? It was given for a specific purpose. If they didn't use the private funds to buy china don't you think the money would revert back to the bank accounts of the people/organizations who donated it?

I mean sweet Jesus.......the country can't afford to waste "that much" money? "The country" isn't spending half a million dollars on China. A collection of wealthy individuals and private organizations are.

Isn't Black Jesus' inauguration running upwards of 150 million dollars?......and we're worried about plates? If memory serves me.....I remember there being an uproar when it was announced that W's 04' inauguration tabbed out at 40$ million.

[I.A.S.K.]

Originally Posted by TexasWSP

Again, please tell me how Bush is "less credible" because private money was spent buying a gift for the White House.

Anyone who thinks that way is a moron. Plain and simple. How was the money "wasted"? It was given for a specific purpose. If they didn't use the private funds to buy china don't you think the money would revert back to the bank accounts of the people/organizations who donated it?

I mean sweet Jesus.......the country can't afford to waste "that much" money? "The country" isn't spending half a million dollars on China. A collection of wealthy individuals and private organizations are.

Isn't Black Jesus' inauguration running upwards of 150 million dollars?......and we're worried about plates? If memory serves me.....I remember there being an uproar when it was announced that W's 04' inauguration tabbed out at 40$ million.

Your inner AWP is comming out. You might want to reel that in a bit. Thanks.

ETA: SWTXBelle, Agreed.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by I.A.S.K.

Your inner AWP is comming out. You might want to reel that in a bit. Thanks.

ETA: SWTXBelle, Agreed.

AWP = Angry White Person?

[I.A.S.K.]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

AWP = Angry White Person?

You got it!

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by TexasWSP

Isn't Black Jesus' inauguration running upwards of 150 million dollars?......

The last time I checked it's a presidential inauguration and why do you always make stupid comments in regards to race and color? Seriously.

I don't disagree with you about the china, but why is race ALWAYS an issue with you? Grow up.

[SWTXBelle]

As of today, that china will be used by the Obamas. I am glad Michelle doesn't have to worry about having enough place settings for her larger dinner parties.

[TexasWSP]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

The last time I checked it's a presidential inauguration and why do you always make stupid comments in regards to race and color? Seriously.

I don't disagree with you about the china, but why is race ALWAYS an issue with you? Grow up.

Race/color isn't an issue with me squirt....nor has it ever been with Barack Obama. It's a joke. Kind of like Barack the Magic Negro, Obama the Messiah, etc. etc. etc. If it offends you......don't read it. Please though, point me to all the posts that have led you to the conclusion that "race is always an issue" with me. Frankly, I don't know what you're talking about and I don't really care to look myself.

Just because I think he is a hack job politician who got elected because he told everyone exactly what they wanted to hear in no way means that I am not more than proud of my country for electing it's first African American president. It is a monumental day in our history...one that we should all be proud of. I will respect the office of the President, pray for him, and support him while in office.

Get off your high horse and go bug a tour guide. Maybe make fun of a fast food worker or something.......

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by TexasWSP

Just because I think he is a hack job politician who got elected because he told everyone exactly what they wanted to hear in no way means that I am not more than proud of my country for electing it's first African American president. It is a monumental day in our history...one that we should all be proud of. I will respect the office of the President, pray for him, and support him while in office.

what you should have said....

[TexasWSP]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

what you should have said....

I don't have to say anything. This thread has nothing to do with my feelings on a black man being elected President of the United States.

If someone wants to accuse me of taking issue with Barack Obama because of his race/color I will GLADLY defend myself. Me calling him Black Jesus, Messiah, etc. has nothing to do with him being an African American.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

what you should have said....

I'm with you right up until "...and support him while in office." I think, if we've learned anything from the discussions about the Bush presidency on this site, is that no one has to support the sitting President.

We can pray for the President, we can respect the office, but there's nothing saying that anyone has to support the President or all of his policies.

As someone who has been vocal in their non-support of the immediate past President, you should understand that as well as anyone.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by TexasWSP

Race/color isn't an issue with me squirt....nor has it ever been with Barack Obama. It's a joke. Kind of like Barack the Magic Negro, Obama the Messiah, etc. etc. etc. If it offends you......don't read it. Please though, point me to all the posts that have led you to the conclusion that "race is always an issue" with me. Frankly, I don't know what you're talking about and I don't really care to look myself.

Just because I think he is a hack job politician who got elected because he told everyone exactly what they wanted to hear in no way means that I am not more than proud of my country for electing it's first African American president. It is a monumental day in our history...one that we should all be proud of. I will respect the office of the President, pray for him, and support him while in office.

Get off your high horse and go bug a tour guide. Maybe make fun of a fast food worker or something.......

Hon, you're not insulting me at all, but your unnecessary color comments could be insulting to others. No, there's no need for me to go to other threads to find other comments you've made. Does associating black people with "malt liquor" ring a bell? How about "brother man?" A joke? omg! What kind of jokes are those? I'm Greek and Italian and I find it very offensive when I hear derogatory comments about Italians. I'm sure some people of color find your comments insulting when you make comments like the ones you've just made.

Go ahead and keep bringing up my tour guide and fast food posts. That's nothing new, because you bring it up everytime you have the chance, and that's o.k. Let's just keep it even. Based your interpretation of my "fast food" and "tour guide" posts, you can continue to think I'm on a high horse, stuck up or whatever you want to think about me. Just know that based on your "Black Jesus" "negro", "malt liquor", and other unnecessary comments you've posted about people of color, I'll continue to think you're a racist, redneck pig. mkay?

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Hon, you're not insulting me at all, but your unnecessary color comments could be insulting to others. No, there's no need for me to go to other threads to find other comments you've made. Does associating black people with "malt liquor" ring a bell? How about "brother man?" A joke? omg! What kind of jokes are those? I'm Greek and Italian and I find it very offensive when I hear derogatory comments about Italians.

Go ahead and keep bringing up my tour guide and fast food posts. That's nothing new, because you bring it up everytime you have the chance, and that's o.k. Let's just keep it even. Based your interpretation of my "fast food" and "tour guide" posts, you can continue to think I'm on a high horse, stuck up or what you want to think about me. Just know that based on your "Black Jesus" "negro", "malt liquor", and other unnecessary comments you've posted about people of color, I'll continue to think you're a racist, redneck pig. mkay?

You're too sensitive. I'm 100% Sicilian and I laugh at Italian jokes.

Are your shoes Italian? Cuz wherever you go, Dago. Say it aloud. It'll make more sense.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

I'll continue to think you're a racist, redneck pig. mkay?

He's not racist. He just thinks the off-color jokes that he's repeating are funny. I wasn't too moved by "Black Jesus" until he proudly likened it to "Barack the Magic Negro." That is satire that is funnier the first time around.

On another note, calling him a "redneck pig" isn't any better. You're a white person typing to a white person but it's unnecessary to assume he's a redneck. Plus, the concept of a "racist redneck pig" is certainly a stereotype rooted in class bias.