After Several Years: What Do You Think of the New Release Figures?

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

I LOLed @ this because it seemed like girls ALWAYS came up with some crazy story when they got cut heavily, cut by the groups who had to release the most PNMs, or withdrew because they didn't like the groups they had left.

It almost always inolves a "computer glitch."

It's usually some outlandish statement like:

"Well I dropped out because I got cut by ABC and DEF. But Amy from my group told me that there was a computer glitch and ABC & DEF could only invite back girls with last names that start with vowels. So I got cut because my last name starts with M."

Either that, or they always think that they were "this close" to getting a bid to a sorority, but didn't because some crazy thing happened:

"I got cut by ABC after 2nd party, but this girl in my group said that there was a computer glitch and ABC's list erased my name!"

If girls KNEW a little about how the RFM worked, maybe girls would be less likely to think that something crazy happened and they got cut by certain chapters or didn't get a bid at all. They're also less likely to think "I was thisclose to getting a bid to ABC but _______."

I think that even just telling them that the heaviest cuts will occur earlier on would be beneficial. At least they're prepared.

And sure, we all do things to save our egos, so it's understandable on a human level that the individuals tell themselves fibs. But if no one ever speaks the truth about the situation to explain that everything actually going great even if everyone who got cut by the #1 group is unhappy about it. The problem is the lack of good or realist information that would kind of balance the wild rumors out.

And I know that I'm probably coming off as too much "we should just crush their spirits with the bad news first," but one of the best things I think we could do is to really talk about what placement rates mean. When PNMS hear that last year ___ percentage got their first choice, they think first choice of ALL the groups, rather than first choice of whom they had left at the end.

There's absolutely no guarantee any PNMS will listen, but at the same time RCs are saying, some chapters have to cut 50% after first round, they should go ahead and say 100% number of PNMS last year listed these chapter among their number ones in their rankings after first round. (I mean give them the real number from the year before, but my guess is that if PNMS get to rank six houses #1, your top return rate chapters really probably do have nearly 100% who rank them among the top parties they want to go back to.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

And I know that I'm probably coming off as too much "we should just crush their spirits with the bad news first," but one of the best things I think we could do is to really talk about what placement rates mean.

No you're not. I agree with you. Even if we just forewarned them that with the RFM, the heaviest cuts occur early on, they'd be a little less stunned and more likely to stick it out (I think).

Now I am NOT saying that we should tell them every single thing about the RFM (like who makes the heaviest cuts or the formula that's used to calculate the # to cut), but I think just a little forewarning about the early heavy cuts would help.

Also, I think that PXs and Greek Life staff need to be sure that they're telling the PNMs that:

1. Recruitment is not guaranteed.
2. Not every girl gets their first choice.

[33girl]

Oh, there were sorority MEMBERS on here too saying things like "UGA has the toughest recruitment in the country - 75% of the girls get cut" which is bull poo. It's to make them look more "elite." Obviously if 75% of the girls were getting cut in formal they'd stop having it or something.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Oh, there were sorority MEMBERS on here too saying things like "UGA has the toughest recruitment in the country - 75% of the girls get cut" which is bull poo. It's to make them look more "elite." Obviously if 75% of the girls were getting cut in formal they'd stop having it or something.

Oh of coruse. I remember hearing once on campus, "Gosh recruitment was so tough this year, like half the girls who went through got cut." False.

I don't even know where they get it from. If 50% of the girls got cut, that would have made quota an outrageously low number like 8. It was 17 that year!

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Oh, there were sorority MEMBERS on here too saying things like "UGA has the toughest recruitment in the country - 75% of the girls get cut" which is bull poo. It's to make them look more "elite." Obviously if 75% of the girls were getting cut in formal they'd stop having it or something.

Well, close to 100% probably do get cut by someone, but they don't get cut by all the chapters.

I think maybe you're remembering the claim that I kind of though was false as well that top chapters have to cut 75% after first round. On the one hand, it's possible because some chapters at UGA really could expect close to 100% return rates all the way through prefs so they wouldn't need too many to actually make quota at the end. On the other hand, I doubt too many chapters are in that position and they'd still be competing with each other during prefs. ETA: maybe I'm a dummy for doubting it; I honestly have no idea what the releases are like at chapters at UGA.

ETA: and any sorority member who looked at quota times 17 and the number who started recruitment can see that the vast majority of girls finish recruitment and get bids. To claim otherwise is just insulting to other people's intelligence, as KSUViolet has already pointed out with her example.